Oh, look Expo-guide – another form suckering people into signing up for an expensive directory ‘insertion’
Boring isn’t it? Well if you’re a victim of these scammers, you can help us prevent other people getting ripped off. Read on!

Last year, ExpoWest, a thoroughly reputable major UK exhibition organiser, started to alert its exhibitors to the danger that they might be approached by a company called ‘Expo-guide’.
Like World Business Directory, World Business Register and a surprisingly long list of similar scams, Expo-Guide sends out a form designed to deliberately fool you into signing a minimum 3 year contract for an entry in their directory (at a cost of around £1000 a year) when you’re under the impression you’re signing for a free listing in their business directory. Wrong.
Click on the thumbnails (left and below) to see the whole misleading form and a summary of the vital ’small print’ that you’re supposed not to notice. (And, yes, Expo-Guide, I have edited the close-up version of your small print so people can see what they’re missing. For the full text, use the full version of the document).
This scam was raised in the European Parliament in 2006 (see the Busutill report_on_the ‘European City Guide’ ) but despite that, it’s still out there and it’s still big business.
It’s taken until now (9 or more years) for one of the companies behind one of the earliest versions of this scam (European City Guide) to be ruled against in the Swiss Federal Supreme Court.
That’s good news, but not good enough. These people just move their base, change the directory name and carry on.
If you’re one of the many people who have made that mistake of returning a signed form, the first you’ll know about it is when you receive the demand for payment, followed swiftly by letters from collections agencies piling on the ‘costs’ day by day.
It’s clear that the modus-operandi of the organisation behind these scams is to trick you into signing for 3 years contract, threaten you relentlessly until you pay the full amount or they ‘generously’ let you off with just having to pay 1 yr or it. The success of this scam depends entirely on you being frightened enough to get into communication with them.
Why? Because people contacting them is their way of ‘qualifying’ prospects for their scam. When you contact them, they know you’re frightened / ashamed enough to want a way out – and then they’ve got you.
Jules Woodell estimates that some 80% of the estimated 250,000 businesses that signed the European City Guide (just one of the many variants of this form) didn’t / won’t pay. That leaves 20% presumably who will. But even if only 1% of that 250,000 paid just 1 year of the 3 years fee, we’re still talking around about £250,000 extorted from small businesses. This is a very big scam – and all it takes is the ability to email huge lists and employ ‘debt collectors’ to chase.
A quick Google search for ‘Expo Guide’ turns up plenty of evidence against these scammers. The same applies to World Business Directory – although they’ve been a bit cleverer and made sure they flooded the first couple of pages of Google with their own innocuous references. This search will show you what you really need to know.
If you want more detail, then this scam and a range of variants are fully documented on Jules Woodell’s excellent http://stopecg.org/ – an absolute must-read if you’ve been affected.
Sadly it seems we can expect more and more of these scams – particularly while banks seem completely indifferent to the nature of their clients’ activities in this field and so long as certain web hosting providers continue to turn a blind eye as well.
So. Expo-guide: scam or not? You decide – and use the comments (below) to help you make up your mind.





Marie and Sam,
This morning I received a letter from Expo Guide. The Orange Expo guide logo is covered by a blank sheet, with the return box address on it. This time it is :
Expo Guide
PO Box 466
Emigsville PA 17318
And the stamp is :
INT’L SURFACE
AIR LIFT
US Postage Paid
Permit 00700
Manchester PA
and by side of the stamp there is some barcode.
Lucy.
Thanks for the update
I used to get phone calls untill I tried the following proven method to stop unwanted callers.
” You get a very loud whisle and when the call you burst there ear drums (or nearly) they NEVER ring back.
We participated at Ambiente Fair, Germany in 2007, and subsequent to that have been receiving correspondence from http://www.expo-guide.com.
I received another update form in 2009 and in October, I decided to fill it out, thinking that it was just to update our details for Ambiente.I was totally unaware that there were going to be any charges, and so I signed the form and posted it off. In January I recieved an invoice, which was a total surprise.
Since I am an honest person, I felt I should contact them and I informed them that I thought it was to update details for Ambiente Show directory and that I was unaware of any charges. They have replied to me, and in a second email to them I informed them again that I was not aware of any charges when I signed the form and that I could not afford to pay the amount of $1571 per year. They replied with an offer to either give me a discount of 30% or reduce term to 2 years at $1571 per year. I replied that I would take this into consideration and get back to them. I also asked without committing myself, whether they would consider reducing contract term further. To which they have agreed, if I pay the amount by a certain date.
After reading through a number of internet articles, I now see that this is a scam, and intend to ignore them.
Dear All
I have also been sucked into this scam. They used our local exibitors name as a reference saying that we have published with them for free. This is true however like many others I did not read the fine print. The local exibitor has also advised not to pay and that they are aware of the scam.
I have received my legal notice.
Please keep posting as we need as much info as possible.
Thanks
Velicia
Western Australia
Way to go, Liisa. As soon as they know you’re not going to pay, they move on to someone who is more likely to. Easy money is what they’re looking for (of course). So, new people – if you’re reading this Lisa’s story shows that THEY CAN’T AND DON’T TAKE YOU TO COURT WHEN YOU IGNORE THEIR LETTERS.
Hi!
Just for information to all of you:
Since the 7th of december, I haven´t got any more of those scam-letters fron Expo-Guide! In the last letter they told me about their legal treatment in court, if I didn´t pay in 7 days!
I did´t, and I did of course NOT answer them! (See my comment from dec.7th)
I haven´t heard from them since then. I have since june-09 got those scam-letters every month until december -09!
I promise to tell you if someting more happends.
So keep up!
Liisa from Sweden
Hi Lian – all the evidence says no, they won’t – and can’t – take legal action against you.
Please take the time to read all these comments, view http://www.stopecg.org and read the history of this (and similar) scams. If you take the time to read all that evidence and history, and keep searching the web, you won’t find anyone who has been sued by Expo Guide They make money from people’s fear. It’s that simple.
We received continuing bill from EXPOGUIDE, the last bill / letter mentioning within 14 days they will take legal action.
Are they able do it ? if they use bad local lawyer to sue us , what action should we take ?
Please help.
We fell for this 3 years ago with Construct Data and stupidly paid the first bill. When they sent a bill for year 2 we realised that we had missed the extremely small print about 3 years and have written and emailed several times refusing to pay as we saw all the blogs. We are now getting regular calls from ‘Giovanni’ chasing us and just ignore him.
Today I got a letter from Expo Guide asking us to check the copy for our FREE LISTING. Look carefully at the bottom of page 2 and lo and behold ‘3 year duration Eu1181 per year’
Fiona, have emailed you privately. Try not to worry. People behind scams don't tend to take people to court.
My father (80) has been caught by this scam and is receiving letters threatening bailiffs etc – he's really frightened but he doesn't have the money even if he was willing to pay. Anyone else got this far down the line? We told him just to ignore all communication – does it stop eventually?
Good for you JD – and thanks for posting
Marie and Sam,
Also have been dealing with this since August 2009. Spoke with the lead attorney from the trade show publication whose documents had been plagiarized and she told me that even some of their own employees signed the forms and that Expo Guide tried to get them to pay!! I have filed both a case with the FTC and the US Post Office. Also got a letter with the “new” sticker with the PO address. The US Postal Inspection Service is aware of them and is working on it. The more complaints they have, the better.
Sam is right. After trying a few e-mails to diffuse the situation, I have just stopped replying. Also have not received any calls but will not waste my time with them. Ironically, yesterday I got a solicitation from Fair Guide (needless to say, won't be responding to it this time!)
Aha! Well done, M
Thanks for posting – particularly that first paragraph. That goes a long way to demonstrating my point that if you make no response to their various postal efforts, you effectively deselect yourself from further attention.
That makes sense even in legitimate businesses; if you've only got limited resources, you'll spend them on the best-looking prospects. As far as Expo-Guide are concerned, the best prospects are the ones who write letters, email or phone because they then know a) you're alive b) you're worried and c) they can bully you more directly.
Good idea with the US Post Office fraud idea. Let us know!
Hi All,
Just wanted to update you on my experience with these scum bags since June 2009. I have received 3 letters from Expo Guide, not opening or responding to any. We have gotten no phone calls.
All three letters had a U.S. post office mark stamp (somewhere in Pennsylvania) and the Expo Guide return address (Mexico) was covered with a big white label. The last letter I got was this week and this time they put a big white label over their Mexico address and typed in a U.S. post office address (again, in PA). They must have thought the previous letters with their return address covered up were not getting to me.
Now that I have a U.S. address I can finally contact the U.S. Post Office and report mail fraud. Yippie! I will be doing that this week. Not sure it will do anything to make it stop but if it brings more attention to their scam then I am happy.
Let's continue to be vigilant!!
Hi Lucy.. just try to hang on to the fact that nobody knows anyone who has ever been taken to court. They'll stop their letters when they know you're not going to pay. If they're calling repeatedly, it will be because they think that you're scared enough to pay. Try just hanging up as soon as they call next time.
Hello again,
The same experience like yours. If we don't pay, after the invoice, the reminder, first overdue payment reminder, second overdue payment reminder, the third reminder is a letter threating of legal action with a red pink letter head, letter from legal department of Expo-Guide advising that you must pay – if not they would take you to court in your country, in all 6 letters in 6 months. Then they paused a little waiting for a revolving year round to repeat again the same steps, starting with phone calls in the early morning with a very fierce voice urging and reminding that you have signed the 'contract'. First the offer of not calculating the interest in 1 year if you paid in about 10 days. If you don't pay, again invoice, reminder, overdue payment reminder – but this time the amount is double.
Here I am now with the second time 'first overdue payment reminder'. But I still do not pay. So bomb of reminders will trouble me. God knows when it really stops their letters.
Cheers
Lucy from Sweden.
Hello Sam
Thank’s for Your Site, first time I,ve been here
and we got really confidence of all advice and all Your encourage answers.
Are in the same position as all here on the site. Have also got the “Legal notice” after five reminders but will not pay.
Thank You all
Pratoom, Sweden
Hi Kristina, thanks for that. Do keep everyone informed about how it goes.
I received an anonymous, veiled threat today from someone I can only assume is from World Business Directory (another scam like Expo Guide), so it’s clear that these kinds of comments that reassure other people not to pay are hurting the scammers.
Hello again,
this is my second post here.
I just received my 1st reminder letter from Expo Guide a couple of weeks ago. The tone is still friendly, but I have not given them any response via email or phone since the first one they sent, nor do I intend to.
I check in here regularly to keep updated, and hope to find out if anyone has any first hand experience with the so often threatened “legal action”.
Cheers
Kristina form Singapore
Hi All, For some reason I decided to Google this company, after just having answered a telephone call asking to speak to our MD. We’re in Holland, I have been rund by Fobble International, a certain Elizabeth Murphy. I have no idea what she is after but described the company as an “International Credit Control COmpany” and quoted the telephone number listed above. I don’t think that I will bother asking our MD to call back!
Hi Liisa, that’s good to hear – and thank you for coming back and posting another comment.
So you see that the advice from the Swedish Trade Federation to make contact led to Expo Guide increasing their demands, not stopping them? Either way, it doesn’t matter (the only difference is the amount of harrassment you endure) – it won’t go to court.
Keep us posted, Liisa, our correspondent from Sweden!
Hi again!
In an early phase, when I´ve just got my first reminder, I followed the advice from Swedish Trade Federation – I crossed the copy of the “contract” with a line and wrote: “Reject payment due to misleading information! Swedish Trade Federation has been contacted. Complaint will be filed with the police”. Since then I´ve got new reminders every month since june.
My last letter was threatening with court if I didn´t pay, and this was in 7th of December (read my comment of 7th December). I haven’t heard from them since that day (knock on wood!!!).
I promise to keep in touch here if I hear something more. I think Sam is right when he advice us NOT to notice them, just ignore them, and DON´T PAY!!!
…and again – lots of THANK´S to Sam for this site!!
Best greetings from
Liisa in Sweden
Hi Juliet – thanks for your comment (was it you I spoke with on the phone the other day?)
Good advice. I’d be interested to know what happens when you (anyone) write them that two line letter saying you know it’s a scam. Does it actually get them off your back? Or does the fact you contacted them make them try harder? If anyone goes down that path, please report back so others can see which is best.
Personally, if you’re reassured by what you’ve read here (and assuming you haven’t already entered into some kind of correspondence with them) I wouldn’t make contact.
But I agree – hold your nerve and they WILL go away
Hello again- just a further update on my dealings with Euro Guide that may be of interest to anyone in the UK who , like me has fallen for this scam.
I arranged for a free twenty minute consultation with a solicitor today arranged by the local Citizen’s Advice Bureau. She had researched Euro Guide before I saw her, and her advice was to write them a two line letter saying that I had taken legal advice, was aware that they were operating a scam, and that any future correspondence from them or any third party acting on their behalf would be ignored in the future. Nothing more is needed. If they telephone, then refuse to take the call. Ignore all letters/threats etc.
Hold your nerve and don’t be bullied, and they will eventually go away.
I hope you find this helpful
Hi all!
Our company is bombed by correspondence from Expo-guide etc. too but nobody signed some agreement – Expo Guide simply copied our stamp and sign from agreement with another subject – BVV Brno (Fair company). Probably Expo the cooperation of persons or contacts stealing data there.
In the Czech republic Expo Guide is being prosecuted by Policie Czech Rep. Praha IV, Durychova 671/40, 142 00 Praha 4, DCI Cerny, fax: 00420 974 854 728, Act.Nr. ORIV-28153/cj-2009-001411.
If you wish to help find the real people behind the Expo… and you received email from Expo…, please don’t delete it but contact DCI Cermak – division of cybercriminality tel.: 00420 974 854 907, email:praha4skpvsik@mvcr.cz
Help us – we´ll get them!
Hi all !
FYI, after their first letters until they threatened to bring me to court last September 2009, I now get a friendlier one in January 2010 proposing to only pay half of the full price to settle.
NO WAY !!
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I like the idea of Marie to complaint to the host of their website via the abuse@networksolutions.com email, and I will do so anyhow, despites the fact that the info on their website in the WHOIS directory shows that they are already in trouble with network solutions for not being in line with their policies…
http://www.whois.net/whois/expo-guide.com
as it’s now getting further on my nerves, I will speak shortly with our anti-counterfeting specialist here & see how we can go after them for good !
How cool is that, Juliet – great to hear these comments have raised your spirits. Makes it all worthwhile! Remember, being scammed wasn’t your fault – hold your head up high
I too have been a victim of Expo Guide’s misleading form. I have written them five letters so far telling them that I only intended to verify my details, and requesting that they remove my name from their database, but they are not accepting that. The last communication was from their legal department threatening to take action. I have been having sleepless nights about this, and was beginning to wonder if it was my fault for being stupid enough not to read the small print before I signed the form, but it seems that a lot of other people have been duped by this.
I had resigned myself to paying them the first year’s installment, but I certainly won’t be doing so now, having read your comments.
Hi Jacob, read all these comments. Loads of people have been contacted by phone. What happens is you get bullied and threatened with the intention of getting you to agree to their ‘generous’ offer of just paying one year.
Don’t pay but most importantly don’t take their calls. Nobody in these comments or on any other site with comments like these has ever reported being taken to court.
I keep saying it like a broken record, but you contacting them or responding in anyway is like you taking their bait. When you respond, you give them the green light to put their (limited) resources into bullying you, because you’re more likely to end up paying that someone who ignores them.
It’s basic, common-sense psychology applied to the business of scamming.
Hi Kristina and all,
I also fell into the scam in 2008. Just received a call, a “legal repesentative” for Expo Guide to negotiate for me to pay 1 year to waive the other 2 years. I have requested her to send me the email as I would like to take a look what their next threat be. Is there anyone been contact via phone?
[...] advice is the same as that for another version of this scam (the Expo Guide scam which is currently still very much out there judging from the ever-growing list of comment on this [...]
Kaare, go for it. How nice it would be for you to come face to face in court with the mysterious ‘Mr. Barry Walter’ from the slightly non-existent ‘debt collection’ company Fobble International whatever.
Now you *must* promise us: if you go to court and if you lose and ifyou have to pay Expo Guide a single penny, you must come back here and tell us, ok? Then I will revise all my previous advice (and eat my hat). Thanks!
Hi Sheila, thanks for your comment. As you can see from all the comments before yours, what’s happening to you is standard procedure for Expo Guide. They will threaten court action in your country because this scam makes its money from those who are scared enough to pay. There is no evidence here or on any other site dealing with these scams that *anyone* has ever been taken to court.
The simplest explanation for the absence of that evidence is because it simply doesn’t happen – scammers don’t take people to court.
Hope you stay strong and don’t pay. Like many others, you’ve already made the first two mistakes: 1) you signed the form and sent it back and 2) you contacted them with a cancellation letter.
Please don’t make the third mistake of getting into direct communication with them (phone). When you do that, they naturally increase the bullying and the pressure because they know that you’re worried – therefore, in their eyes, one step closer to paying.
Hi, our company was also a victim of this Expo Guide. Last week, I received a letter from the ‘Legal Department’ demand for payment saying ‘To avoid a court recovery procedure, we urge you to remit the pending amount outlined below’. A credit card payment form is attached. Prior to that we also received an earlier letter saying that they will submit a court recovery procedure here in Thailand where our company is based.
Last year, we sent a cancellation letter to them and just yesterday got an answer saying:
‘We received your communication on 11/09/09 and we apologize for the belated reply.
The order conditions stipulating basic order duration, price, cancellation and revocation terms are clearly indicated on the order form and they directly precede the line requesting legally binding signature.’
The letterhead for both the demand for payment letter and the response to our cancellation is Expo Guide in Mexico. However, the Expo Guide logo of 1 envelope was covered with a ‘Priority Post P.O. Box 437 Emigsville PA 17318-0437 USA’ sticker. Both letters were also mailed from Manchester PA.
We’re not going to pay but am keeping these letters to compare their addresses and bank remittance because the same letter we received for our sister company is from France.
Your thoughts, please!
Hi All
This web page is a very good idea and we really appreciate the initiative behind.
Hopefully it will cost these “nut cases” a lot of money by preventing innocent companies from paying Expo-guides absurdly invoices.
We are in the exact same situation with Expo-guide and today we reached the point where they change tactics and “Barry Walter” from Fobble joins the party.
We are looking forward to see how much time and money they want to spend/loose before they give up, because we are not going to pay unless we lose in court, so lets see how far they want to go.
Regards
Kaare
Denmark
Hi S, glad you found us & all the comments from other people here. Personally, I would not contact them (please read my comments about how they ‘hook’ the people who respond to their threats) but you have to make up your own mind. Good luck & let us know how things go – especially if/when nothing bad happens to you
Hi,
I feel so much better after reading all these comments. You guess, I received their invoice today and was shocked. This time receiving bank is Barclays bank in Italy.It was good I checked Google before contacting them.
Best wishess from Norway
MM, glad you found these comments – hope they helped save you some money & worry
Happy Scam-Free New Year
We just received the Expo-Guide contact request letter. Fortunately, the letter was in English so it got passed around for a bit and gave me a chance to find this site before we sent it off.
Thanks from Kyrgyzstan!
Hi Lucy
It’s clear they’re desperate people trying to suck money out of this scam before it gets so widely known that no-one will touch it; potential victims and eventually banks too. Whatever they have to do to keep the money rolling in, they’ll do – including switching to credit card payments, if that’s what’s happening. They don’t give a damn whether or not you’ll get the money back from your credit card company if/when the credit card company realises Expo Guide is a scam because they’ll STILL have the money you paid them.
Like all scams, their time is limited – the shorter we can help to make it with blogs, networking and social media the better, eh?
Merry Christmas to all of you – and even to those poor young people sitting in Cyprus ‘working’ for Expo Guide, calling people and abusing them to extort money from them. You deserve better… you just don’t know it.
(I know you’re bright enough to Google ‘Expo Guide’ on a regular basis – even though your bosses aren’t, so that little message was just for you)
Peace to everyone in 2010
Hi,
Thank you Sam. cam you explain the fact they change very often their name, address, bank, even their VAT number? Now they hide their trademark Expo-Guide on the envelope. I understand that some banks refuse to do the money transfer to them, so they use the credit card payment. But with credit card payment, people can ak tjheir money back from the bank if people can show to the bank the warnings at all websites of the trade fairs they got data to do scam.
Since August 2009 Svensk Handel has added their name in the warning lists as well how to react to these false invoices.
Sam, why we don’t contact their embassies in many countries to ask them what kind of business they do? They have given them the right to transfer thier clients – their victims to other company using their trademark Expo-Guide in their fine prints … like buses and trains.
Merry Christmas to all of you.
Thanks Sam,
Merry christmas to you to! Don’t let these people prevent you from enjoying the holidays!
Hi Carolina, I sent Liisa your email address. Let us know about your next “7 days”! Have a good Christmas but remember not to overdo it with your ‘credig card’
Hi,
I have as Liisa got my 2nd leagl notice and it stood the exact thing as liisa letter.
“Dear Sir or Madam,
This is your last notice. You have a final deadline of seven (7) days to remit the outstanding amount below.
Your customer account has already been scheduled for a court recovery procedure in Sweden.”
And then there is a “credig card payment form”.
Liisa, I think they send them at the same time to us.
I still haven’t paid!
Sam can you give my email to Liisa so we can talk? I’m also from Stockholm!
No worries
Expo Guide must be kicking themselves that they failed to ‘prepare’ their online presence fully. If they had, they may have been able to keep people like me and Jules and others out of the first couple of pages of Google results.
You’ve got to think of the order of things here. The sceptics (like me) will research EG thoroughly before thinking about signing something. I’ll find the truth about them no matter what they do to prepare. Then there are people who weren’t sceptical enough to start with and find themselves getting a demand letter. They hit the web searching for ‘Expo Guide’ and find this site and others because EG hasn’t muscled us out of the way.
Even if EG had done that (and World Business Guide did a more thorough job of it – go Google ‘World Business Guide’ and see) the next level of sceptic will know to add the word ’scam’ or ‘rip off’ to their search: ‘Expo Guide scam’ or ‘Expo Guide ripoff’. This will usually start to surface the dirt. That, by the way, is why I always title my posts on these subjects ‘Expo Guide: Scam or not?….’. Notice the first three words in the title?
So my posting WILL be costing Expo Guide some money, for sure. One or two people arrive here who haven’t paid anything but were about to and find courage not to. Some have already paid something but feel encouraged by what they read and take a stand. Either way, it costs Expo Guide.
So expect them to get nasty when they think it’s costing them too much. They did with Jules Woodell (spent a couple of years issuing writs against his ISP to get his site shut down etc) but as you can see, he’s managed to keep it up and running.
Oh, and Expo Guide, I promise you that as soon as I get a single positive comment about your £1,000 a year (minimum 3 yrs) ’service’ that people universally say they never ordered and don’t want, I’ll post it here.
It’s so frustrating. Kudos to you for informing people Sam. As for Barry’s email – what a load of nonsense!! \A disgruntled ex-employee or person with a grudge against the company\ – if not a scam then Expo-Guide must be without doubt the worst company to work for globally – countless disgruntled ex-employees on 4 continents… Nonsense!
HI Stephanie
Of course they’re aware of this website – my post is pretty much the only reference to Fobble International Credit Services anywhere online. Not bad for a reputable company, eh, Fobble?
Remember, this site is only one of many with long, angry lists of comments from people who feel they’ve been ripped off by them. Did I say that? Nope. They did.
To the people behind ‘Fobble’ and Expo Guide: I’m neither disgruntled, a victim or an ex-employee. Bad luck. I’m just an ordinary person who hates to see people ripping other people off. Feel free to call all the people posting comments here liars if you like, although whether that will make more of them pay you or not, who knows?
And so you see how this all works, folks? Because their ‘client’ hasn’t been caught and prosecuted it makes it alright. Sadly, I expect Barclays (and any of the other banks who’ve made money from these people) to take the same line. That’s Capitalism at it’s best, lols.
I replied to the “debt collector” who contacted me informing him that I had found others who were suffering from this same annoying scheme. I thought his reply would be of interest….
Our client is well aware of this web-site and others, these could be the work of a un-happy ex-employee or someone with a grudge against the company, it only states a personal opinion of a person not even trained in legal matters. It is called a ‘blog’ entry, any-one can express their negative, or positive, opinions on these sites.
We need to inform you that our company has no knowledge of any negative court decisions against our client. As they call our client’s media project a scam or corrupt, they have certainly a copy of such a decision .
As a B2B contract, your order was received by our client, who carried out the instructions requested. The signature was inserted in the ‘legally binding’ section of the order, if members of your staff are signing such documents that is an internal matter for your management to address.
Our client is in receipt of a 3 year on-going contract and has made a very fair offer of cancelling the agreement early so long as the first and only invoice is paid.
We are trying to find a solution to this matter without any further expenses incurred by yourselves or our client.
We remain,
Yours faithfully,
Barry Walter
INTERNATIONAL CREDIT MANAGEMENT
by Fobble Services Ltd.
Tsacon Court, 4th Floor,
187A Leontiou Str.
3020 Limassol, Cyprus
P.O. Box 53397
3302 Limassol, Cyprus
Tel : +357 25 27 06 00, Fax: +357 25 27 08 89
email: bw@fobbleservices.com
Hi, so pleased to have found this website!! This scam has reached South Africa. The details mirror stories above exactly. An unknown employee signed the order form etc… I have just received a phone call from a man with a British accent – company located in Cyrpus. Please advise.
Hi Irina! Yes, you can write me an e-mails. I’ll be happy! I’m reading the news here every day!
HI Irina, I’ve emailed Boriana with your email address and copied you so you can make contact. My advice? Don’t pay and don’t be afraid. They won’t (can’t!) do anything. Keep in touch! Sam
Hello, Boryana is not alone in Bulgaria. I have the same problem. Our contract with Expo-guide is dated 29.07.2008. Up this moment I have paid nothing. After receiving the first invoice I sent letter to Expo-guide and tried to refuse they “service” (what kind service – ??). It was not enough. I received the invoice for the next year and etc. The bank details are every time different.
Two days ago an officer from Fobble –
INTERNATIONAL CREDIT MANAGEMENT – (Cyprus), called me and sent by e-mail official document. They offer me “amicable fashion” to resolve the problem – I must pay the half due amount 1181 Euro. I nave not possibility to pay and I won’t do that. I am worried because they will “take further proceedings to the company” – Is it real?
I ask you to send my e-mail – Boryana (if it is o’k).
Hi all,
I think there is now another ’similar’ scam out there. Not sure if they are linked to the Expo Guide operators but I recently received an invoice from “Strategic Business Communications” for $2500 for a full page directory advert that they say we ordered. We ordered no such thing.
This letter is mailed from the US, and the company has a New York address. When you call, you get a recording and there is no way to speak to anyone. The invoice asks you to send a check or conduct a wire transfer.
I just wanted to make you all aware that there is possibly another directory scam going on out there and to beware.
As for Expo Guide, I am on the 3rd letter demanding payment. I don’t even open them..they go right into a file folder. I will continue to ignore.
Lucy, many thanks for commenting. Sorry to hear you paid them the first payment, that’s guaranteed to get them hounding you day after day. It’s like a ‘green light’ for them. They know that you’re scared enough to pay so of course, they’re going to try to scare you some more.
I wish we could somehow get this out to people *before* they sign the damn forms; and if not that, then certainly before they’re bullied into paying or even calling these people on the phone. That’s the challenge. The problem is that like so many other things in life, the majority of people aren’t really interested until it happens to them.
Hi everybody,
I’m also a victim of that scam, but for a double letters inviting me to check the accuracy of my contact information that they got from a trade fair I attended.
I’ve experienced all you’ve shared in this blog. I followed Jules advice, and didn’t pay anymore after my first payment (It’s terrible for me to know stopecg too late after the payment). Then I got the Legal notice last June, still ignored it.
Nothing happened after that, then by chance I know this blog and learnt more how to deal with them. Last month, they called me every morning before 9 am asking me whether I remember that I haven’t paid. I recognized the lady voice – her name is Sheena O’Hara – and didn’t give them chance to contact me. They sent again invoices along with credit card payment, and threatened me that : A renewed non-payment would draw to legal consequences in the future.
They have changed their company name, their addresses and their banks.
From : Expo-Guide is a protected trademark product of Commercial Online Manuals S de RL de CV. Mariano Escobedo #752-9, Col. Nueva Anzures, Mexico D.F. 11590, Mexico, info@expo-guide.com, RFC : IAC070522AM6
To : Expo-Guide is a protected trademark product of Expo Guide S de RL de CV., Mariano Escobedo #752-9, Col. Nueva Anzures, Mexico D.F. 11590, Mexico, info@expo-guide.com, RFC : EGU0705223M8.
From Berliner Volksbank Eg, Germany to UnCredit Bank, Italy.
They ask me to fill the credit card payment and return it via fax to : +52 (55) 26 24 26 97 or via airmail/priority mail to : EXPO GUIDE, S de R.L de C.V, Ave Horacio #340-3, Col. Chapultepec Morales, C.P. 11570 Mexico D.F. – Mexico
This time they keep their VAT number : RFC : EGU0705223M8.
They have made some tapes hiding their logo EXPO-Guide in pink colour on the envelope. And they used the Mail World Box 55 935, 102 16 Stockholm -to send some more letters to trap us.
I hope I can share some experiences of mine from this scam and learn others from all of you.
Thank you, Sam and everybody.
Sure, no worries, Liisa. I’m sending you an email.
Hi Kristina, thanks for your comment! My advice would be to NOT call or email them unless you want to be ‘hooked’ on their fishing line
I think it will soon be time to have a conversation with Barclays about their customer’s account, don’t you think? When I do, I’ll record it and see what they say. I’ll start with a Tweet about it this morning, see if Barclays press office picks it up and replies…
To add to my post:
the bank payment details an account with Barclays, Italy.
I seriously doubt that a bank like Barclays want anything to do with this scheme.
The exact details are:
Account Holder: Expo Guide S de RL de CV, Mexico D.F., Mexico
Bank: Barclays, Italy
Account number: 000078200046
Swift code: BARCITMMBKO
They give their customer service number as: +353 (1) 486 1273.
I have not tried calling or emailing them,
hope this helps
Hi all – thanks for all the info and support. They are now in Singapore as well.
Expo Guide apparently picked information from last years inaugural ITB Asia official register (a Trade fair hosted by Messe Berlin in Singapore), and sent me the same type of “update” letter apparently targeting this year’s ITB Asia register. I don’t know if they sent this to other companies, as I have not yet seen any other posts from Singapore on any sites so far. I received the “invoice” from expo guide a week back, dated November 11.
I have the same suspicion as an earlier post, as I usually read the fine print, that the small print visible on the photocopy sent as verification, is a cut and paste job, as I have no recollection of seeing that. It would be interesting to hear if any others have this experience.
I intend to ignore the letter, and keep you posted on any further communication from them.
Hi again, and thank´s to you Sam!
I would like to have contact with other victims in Sweden!
How is that possible?
Can I leave my e-mail to you Sam or how shall I manage?
Liisa from Stockholm, Sweden
Thanks for coming back, Liisa – great to follow your story. So, everyone else, keep an eye on Liisa. She’s going to be in a court somewhere in Sweden in the next 7 days….NOT!!!!
Hi everybody!
Today (7/12-09)I recieved my 2nd and “last legal notice” from Expo Guide, still from “Legal Department”, and the same postal adress i Mexico!!!!
The letter says:
“Dear Sir or Madam,
This is your last notice. You have a final deadline of seven (7) days to remit the outstanding amount below.
Your customer account has already been scheduled for a court recovery procedure in Sweden.”
And then there is a “credig card payment form”.
I have to pay before 04.12.2009, and it´s always like this, no one can ever follow their “rules”!!
Now it´s a differnt bank: UniCredit Banca, Italy
In the last letter from (4/11-09) it was Berliner Volksbank Eg, Germany!!! Strange!
I just wonder whitch court in Sweden they meen!
Should I laugh or cry?!!:)
…and now I´m waiting for the court?! Hmmm!!!
Sometimes I think that this must be just a yoke.
Of course – I´m NOT going to pay!!!
Liisa from Stockholm, Sweden
No, you’re certainly not alone
Hope you find useful information and some reassurance here.
IM NOT ALONE!!!!
GREAT!
These guys were nailing me with legal emails!
Hey Ashley, glad you made it here. I’m not a lawyer (nor is Jules over at http://www.stopecg.org or any of the other people blogging about this) but if you keep looking through all this material, you’ll notice there’s not one single post here that says “they took me to court and I was forced to pay”.
That’s all I can say – but from where I stand, it’s pretty convincing evidence. Hang in there. Would I pay? Not a f****g chance.
We got scammed…. and are getting contacted by Expo Guide’s “Legal representation”, of course located in a another country. This is rediculous, as I told their rep. An unauthorized employee unknowingly signed for a “Free Listing” over a year ago and now they want us to pay up.
This is a terrible and unneccesary situation to be in and these people need to be stopped. Why should they be able to go around taking advantage of legit business just trying to make it in this economy? It shouldn’t be. If anyone has actual legal advice or experience with these scammers, let me know. Thanks a lot.
Great update, Mike! Thanks for that. I expect the call came from Cyprus (judging by earlier comments).
Here’s Mike’s first post (so you can work out the pattern).
It’s worth noting that these steps resulted in Expo Guide’s bogus ‘debt collectors’ calling Mike. I’m of the view that sending a letter requesting cancellation (as suggested by Jules in his excellent http://www.stopecg.org site) is actually what tells Expo Guide that you’re a ‘live’ prospect and therefore worth harrassing.
What happens to those people who receive the paper demands and simply ignore Expo Guide altogether? Let’s hear from you please.
Hi all,
My second post here. I just got the call from a nice lady from Expo-Guide (she had a UK accent) politely asking me to discuss with her so as to find a way to come to an mutual agreement regarding the oustanding balance of our Expo-Guide contract.
I explained that I cancelled this contract with a registerred letter after finding out about the details. She replied that even so, there is a legally binding contract and that…. ***I interrupted (They are experts at arguing, so best not to drag the conversation) stating that we completely contest the vaidity of this contract and that our legal department would handle any claims.
I asked her to call my lawyer, which she promptly refused to do. But, she then asked to have her name given to my lawyer, which I refused to do since, as I explained to her: “we are aware of Expo-Guide’s marketing ploys and that in our minds this issue is not worthy of any further discussions”
She concluded the call by saying that “Well, it seems your mind is made up, thank you”.
The call lasted about 60 seconds
So, there you have it. Seems my file has advanced to the phone call stage and others who are in the same boat as me can expect this kind of harrasment in the near future.
The phone number was hidden. I assume it’s a long distance call from overseas, so it must cost them $$$ to call all their “customers”. No wonder she ended the call quickly when it was obvious I was on to their scam.
Mike
Shout it out! You’re dead right
Why EXPO GUIDE ARE NOT SHY DOING THE SCAM ?
IT’S SO FUNNY WRITING A TRICKY LETTER HOPING SOMEONE NOT AWARE THEN WRITING TERMS & LEGAL BINDING IN A VERY TINY LETTERS.
IT’S CLEARLY A TRAP TO TAKE OUT OUR ENERGY OF FEAR AND HOPE WE PAY THEM IN ORDER WE WILL NOT BE DISTURBED WITH FEAR & EMBARRASE FEELING
THEY HAVE STARTED IN “NOT HONEST” WAY, SHOULD WE LET SUCH ORGANIZATION LIFE, LET SEE EG DIE !!!
Hello from Paris.
It is our turn to be a victim of Expo Guide.
At least all these witnesses should help us all if we had to go on trial.
All the best to everyone
Oooo-eeee! With a special offer like that, how can you resist? It’s a harder bargain than I thought – they’re willing to let you off 1 payment if you pay 2. Sarah, I can’t advise you what to do in part since I’ve not been in your situation and also because I’m not a lawyer.
All I can remind you of is the facts as you know them.
1) Expo Guide is considered internationally as a scam. Your gut instinct tells you they’re a scam.
2) They intimidate all those who send back their forms signed in the hope you’ll contact them in fear
3) If you contact them, they bully harder – and eventually offer to ’settle’
4) No-one has EVER come back here (or any of the other dozens of sites I’ve seen) and reported having been subsequently taken to court by any of these scammers. Why is that?
Hang in there. If you choose to ignore them from this point onwards, why not keep us posted as you already have done? Let other people see what will (i.e. won’t) happen when you ignore these criminals.
All the best – Sam
Hi again
I have just received the following email from the ‘Scammers’, you were right about them making a deal. Do you suggest I send the letter from stopecg, or just ignore them so more? :
Dear Madam,
With reference to your call of November 18, 2009 please find attached a copy of your signed order.
You placed an order with us for the publication of your company’s data as an individual advertisement in three yearly editions of Expo-Guide.
The current invoice 261587 refers to the second publication period on three ordered.
Your insertion is verifiable at the direct link:
http://www.expo-guide.com/*********
You may amplify or correct your insertion with texts, pictures, key-words if necessary.
According to the order conditions the cancellation of your order is possible only at the end of the third publication period.
We confirm herewith the cancellation of your order at its contractual end.
Nevertheless willing to get the matter resolves amicably our management offers you, exceptionally and without prejudice, the third publication period for free. If you accept this special offer after your settlement of our invoice 261587 you will have no liabilities with regard to the order 319759. No further invoices will be issued with regard to this and your order will be cancelled automatically on October 31, 2011.
We maintain this special offer for you until November 30, 2009.
Yours faithfully,
Customer Services
Expo-Guide
**********************************
Expo-Guide is a product of
Expo Guide S. de R.L. de C.V.
Apartado Postal N° 39-064
México D.F. 15621, Mexico
Take note, everyone. Andrei’s comment shows exactly what happens when you contact Expo Guide about their letters:
Don’t do it, folks! Don’t contact them!
I suspect that if you email them, they will harass you for money. Their scam depends on you reacting to their threats and contacting them. If you contact them (even to remove your company from their database) they:-
a) know you’re alive
b) know you’ve got their letter
c) know you’re worried
They are then half way to getting money out of you.
Don’t give them anything to get started on! They will go for the people who respond.
I am back again.
I found on one blog EU’s position
Here is the link:
http://www.richardcorbett.org.uk/blog/labels/ecg.html
Poor Ms; Kuneva, sh’s going to get lot of complaints…
Hi people,
Romania is joining your”club”
In fact, one of our former employees had signed and stamped the document sent by Expo-Guide. When we got the first invoice, nobody knew what’s about. I contacted their office, and a lady speaking French sent us the document by fax.
What a terror! Since then, plenty of invoices/reminders so on.
We never wanted to pay anything and, a few days ago, a Romanian called from Cyprus, asking for money…
He even sent an email, with attaches.
Today, a Greek named Taribis, from the same company in Cyprys, called me – I wasn’t in the office. His secretary called back in about 10 minutes, put me on hold for some minutes, then informed me that the Boss was online, so she would call back. I just told her that it wasn’t a way in making business, that it was impolite. Then, Taribis called back and threatened us with his Romanian lawyers.
End of story.
I have a question: as there are many companies members of the EU, would it be impossible making putting some pressure on the EU Parliament, in order to settle up in the European Court of Justice this scam? I am not sure it would work with our Romanians members of the EU Parliament (I am not dreaming…), but I am sure there are other EU countries where it would work.
Hi,
my company has also received the letter from Expo-guide, but we didn’t sign it. Is there any way to completely remove my company’s listing from their site? If I email them about this, will they comply, or will it be just a waste of my time? Has anyone ever had success with this? Any help will be appreciated
I received one of these emails today asking me to sign up for a directory called World Company Directory. I don’t know if is the same people but the “order form” looks similar to others I have seen on stopecg.org. I went to have a look at their website, and did a bit of investigating. The website appears to be being hosted in Taiwan by a company called Seednet, but all the links on the menu on the website point to a German hosting company PlusServer AG. I wrote the following email to the abuse department at PlusServer AG
“Dear Sirs
I would like to point out that one of your IP addresses 85.25.241.242 is being used by an organisation scamming money from companies all over the world. The company, currently trading as World Company Directory (previously they have used World Business Directory, Expo Guide, European Company Directory amongst various other guises) tricks people into registering for free for their online database, then sending them invoices for about Euro3000 (see here for more information about the scam http://www.mukaumedia.co.uk/expoguide-scam-decide-yawn/)
The website for this scam company http://www.worldcompanydirectory.com/ appears to be hosted on a server in Taiwan, but all the links from the menu bar point to web pages with your IP Address 85.25.241.242 in the URL. By hosting these pages you are helping to facilitate this scam.”
Richard
Hi Tony, Mike – excellent posts, thank you!
Tony why not call Barclays’ press office? Ask them what they plan to do so you, the customer, can be confident that they aren’t profiteering from obvious and known scams. Would love to reprint their response
Good, pro-active move from Jules there. It’s great to see a bunch of people swinging together to do what governments and legislator’s can’t seem to do. Careful, I’m starting to sound like I believe in social media… can’t be having that…
Well the latest news is that Expo-Guide now takes credit card payments. I know that in the UK the credit card company has a problem if you pay using a CC. You can ask for the money back if you do not get service, and this will damage their ability to take CC money in future. I AM NOT SAYING PAY THEM SO YOU CAN ASK FOR THE MONEY BACK. That is a risk. Just that, if you have, then ask Visa for your money back. Also making a payment does mean that you have accepted the “contract”, so just do not pay them anything.
Good to see their bank accounts seem to be moving every month. We have not had a demand since August when we got the “We will start proceedings in your local court” letter. This, as we knew, has come to nothing. So now they have nowhere to go. This means I am not seeing where the accounts are moving to.
I have however never got a reply from any of the banks. I get the feeling I should call the press office of the Barclay’s bank that was used. Force them into saying something.
Jules at stopecg.org sent out a letter to members of the email group last week asking us to post a warning into all the groups/boards/blogs we are members of. This too, will spread the word to new and potential victims. We have just had the autumn round of Fairs in Hong Kong, including the new Wine Fair, so the letters should be flooding out soon to the new crop of targets, based on the new list of exhibitors.
Hello all friends that also took the bait,
Over here in Canada, same Expo-Guide scam. Just got the “Legal Department” letter, which is obviously sent from Expo-Guide, and not from an official Legal firm – Would cost too much money to get real lawyers involved… assuming real lawyers would get anywhere near that kind of Scam.
After being suckerred-in, my approach was this:
1- Send them the letter StopECG recommends (and keep a printed, dated copy), by registerred mail stating you signed in error and that you wish to cancel immediately.
2- Upon receiving their reply – KEEP IT. It confirms they indeed received your cancellation notice. Just in case.
3- Then, as I do, COMPLETELY IGNORE THEM, AND GO ABOUT RUNNING YOUR REAL BUSINESS.
I will post here further developments.
Do not worry folks, this scam is going nowhere fast as long as people know the facts, and trade fair organizers warn their exhibitors about these scammers.
Hang-on!!
Mike
Yeowwww, Sarah – so sorry to hear you paid a year already. See, folks? That’s how these people actually DO make money. I’m glad to hear you’ve taken a stand – but be warned, since you’ve paid once (and shown them you were worried enough for them to be able to bully you), they’re likely to push even harder. Be strong, hope you keep checking back here and find strength from other peoples’ stories.
p.s. I just noticed now they have moved their bank account to : Berliner Volksbank Eg, Germany. So Tony, looks like your plan of writing to the bank is working
hi all. i’m a little relieved to read everyones experiences. I am another victim of this scam, I aparantly ’signed up’ with them over a year agao now. I got very worried about the letters I was getting, as I am a sole trader. So I did pay them for a year and included a letter saying that I did not want to hear from them again and I was cancelling my contract etc. Today I received another letter asking for payment and I phoned them straight away. Some girl on the phone just kept saying you signed a contract etc. I got very annoyed with her and said I will not be making any futher payments and I will be seeking legal advice etc. so she hung up the phone on me!!
Anyway I have a bit more confidence now that I’ve read these posts and will not be intimidated by them.
Thanks Sarah
Great Jo.
I’ve been having fun with Google based on the information you’ve given me. The evidence points towards a husband and wife team with the wife having a track record in the Swiss financial industry – specialising in liquidation. Since Switzerland recently outlawed these scams and the ‘debt-collection’ companies operating on their behalf (read the home page here: http://stopecg.org/ ) it seems only logical that they’d ‘re-locate’ to somewhere they can continue their dodgy practice.
From what I know (thanks mostly to Jules Woodell) the top guy is German – featured in this article in the Daily Mirror in 2006
I also have some nice pictures (thanks to Flickr and Facebook. And remember, dropping someone from your FB friends list in a hurry doesn’t stop them showing up in the Google index and connecting you to them
I e-mailed stopscamguides@yahoo.co.uk
So far no answer
About their location:
INTERNATIONAL CREDIT MANAGEMENT
by Fobble Services Ltd.
Tsacon Court, 4th Floor,
187A Leontiou Str.
3020 Limassol, Cyprus
P.O. Box 53397
3302 Limassol, Cyprus
I spoke to Anastasios Soulis Iskosdiyos
Managing Director
he’s not cypriot, probably from Greece
and I also met THE BOSS, dont remember his name, but he looks like german, austrian…
They told me they open less than 2 months ago
and they are recruiting people, mostly foreigners.
I saw few people, young guys and girls
HI Jo
Can you imagine it? Knowing you’re extorting money out of people who genuinely thought they were getting a free directory listing, NOT a £900 a year rip off.
Mmmm Interesting! Congratulations on NOT getting a job working for these people!
Can you give us any more information about the company that you interviewed for? Note Jan’s comment (above) with all the contact details for the company. Interestingly, their website is ‘under construction’ lols. I’ll bet that something about Fobble Services Ltd isn’t quite right somewhere. There’s not a single reference to them online, not even through companies search. ‘Fobble Services Ltd’ are not listed at Companies House.
The closest match is ‘Fobble Ltd’ – which was dissolved 12.05.2009
As for the domain http://www.fobbleservices.com see domain details below:
Registrant:
Vakis Demetriou
Theofilou 20a Santhemis 7
1st Floor Flat 103
Limassol, Limassol 3075
Cyprus
Registered through: DomainZoo.com
Domain Name: FOBBLESERVICES.COM
Created on: 08-Sep-09
Expires on: 08-Sep-10
Last Updated on: 08-Sep-09
Administrative Contact:
Demetriou, Vakis vakis@postcy.com
Theofilou 20a Santhemis 7
1st Floor Flat 103
Limassol, Limassol 3075
Cyprus
99435145
Technical Contact:
Demetriou, Vakis vakis@postcy.com
Theofilou 20a Santhemis 7
1st Floor Flat 103
Limassol, Limassol 3075
Cyprus
99435145
Note that date of registration for the domain. BTW – this is all publicly available data.
Why not have a word with the police in Cyprus? Ask them which government agency you might report this company to. A company that’s not registered in UK at Companies House and one acting for a well-documented and controversial online scam operation.
I know Jules Woodell at http://www.stopecg.org (a guy who campaigns against Expo Guide and all the other versions of this scam) would be interested in hearing from people who have worked for / nearly worked for these people. Why not email him at stopscamguides@yahoo.co.uk
Thanks for commenting
Sam
Hi
I live in Cyprus
and few days ago I had an interview for Fobble Services!!! They wanted me to call companies didnt pay Expo-Guide invoices and pushed them to pay !!! I realized it stink bad and so I didnt accept. What shall i do now ? Report cypriot police or what else ?
HI Boriana, thanks for commenting again. Don’t be surprised at their reply; it’s their way of intimidating you. Please review all these comments and all the other information online about Expo Guide. If you hear of ONE case of them taking ANYONE to court, please come back here and tell us.
About this comment: Jan on November 7th, 2009 1:00 am
I think this is very interesting situation. I’m waiting information form Jan about the next step
Boriana K for BG
Hello again from Bulgaria. My first comment here was on October 20th, 2009 5:14 pm.
We send letters to Minister of Economy and Work Bundesminister für Wirtschaft und Arbeit (BMWA) Austria; Department for Competition BMWA Austria and Osterreichischer Werberat (OWR),c/o Wirtschaftskammer Wien and to EXPO GUIDE.
Now we have 2 e-mails:
/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Dear Sirs,
we refer to your letter from 2. November 2009, in which you mentioned your
dispute with the company Expo Guide S de RL de CV.
As far as we are informed this company is located in Mexico (EXPO GUIDE S de
RL de CV, Ave Horacio 340 – 3 Col. Chapultepec Morales, México D.F. 11570,
México, RFC: EGU0705223M8).
Therefore Austrian law cannot be applied. Concerning your problems with Expo
Guide`s business practices please contact the competent Mexican authorities!
For instance:
• CFC: Comision Federal de Competencia Mexico, Av. Santa Fe 505 Col.
Cruz Manca; Del Cuajimalpa, C.P. 05349 Mexico D.F.
Internet: http://www.cfc.gob.mx/
• PROFECO: Procuraduria Federal del Consumidor, Av. Jose Vasconcelos
208 Col. Condesa, Del Cuauhtemoc, Mexico D.F.
Internet: http://www.profeco.gob.mx/
• Secretaria de Economia, Alfonso Reyes No.30 Col. Hipodromo CondesanC.
P. 06140 Del Cuauhtemoc, Mexico D.F.
Internet: http://www.economia.gob.mx/
Best regards
Vienna, 04.11.2009
For the Federal Minister:
MMag. Erika Ummenberger-Zierler
One day later e received and e-mail form Expo guide
/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Dear Sir / Madam,
We refer to your communication received on 05.11.2009.
Our offer contained two possibilities, to update your free address listed, online, or to upgrade to a full sized payable advertisement, by signing and returning the order form.
The cover letter introduced the offer with the specific indication to, “place an order for a payable insertion [by using] the attached order form”. As the order form contained order terms and conditions with specific price details directly above the space entitled “legally binding signature” for their subsequent activation, there is absolutely nothing inaccurate in the commercial document you chose to respond to.
The “error”, if you wish to call it that, is due to several factors. If the contractual terms and further information provided was not read, then the “error” cannot be considered as such. In this case the error is due to negligence.
We trust this explanation clarifies the situation, and ask you to remit payment of the outstanding amount as soon as possible.
Yours faithfully,
Customer Services
Expo-Guide
Expo-Guide is a product of
Expo Guide S. de R.L. de C.V.
Apartado Postal N° 39-064
México D.F. 15621, Mexico
info@expo-guide.com
http://www.expo-guide.com
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Regards,
Boriana K
You’re welcome. If posting here saves one person a bit of worry, then it’s worth it.
DEAR FRIENDS WHO HAS BEEN TRAPPED BY EXPO GUIDE
ONLY ONE WAY WE CAN FIGHT WITH THEM
JUST IGNORE THEM AND DON’T PAY EVEN A PENNY
ALL OF US MUST DO THAT, IF THEY WANT SUE US, THEY SUE ALL OF US, THEN EVERY ONE SHOULD REPORT TO THIS BLOG, WE WILL STRIVE TOGETHER, DON’T SCARE, THEY WANT US TO BE FULL OF SCARE ; INTIMIDATE US WITH LEGAL BINDING, DON’T LET THEM WIN, PLEASE FRIENDS BE STRONG, WE ARE WITH YOU.
FAIL THEIR AIM.
THANK YOU FOR ALL WHO ARE ALREADY CONCERNED WITH THIS CASE, AND INITIATE TO MAKE BLOGS TO UNITE US AND SHARE OUR PROBLEM AND SOLVE IT WITH CONFIDENCE.
Nice one, Jan! Heh heh.
Everybody, please note this line: “our client is still willing to settle this matter amicably “ This is means “now you have contacted us (and we know you’re worried) we will let you pay us just 1 year – €900 + – to settle. Nice, aren’t we?”
Thanks for the comment, Lian. Remember – come back and let us know if they go through with Legal Action. (99.9999999% sure they won’t)
I thought I was the only one who has made such stupid thing.
Actually I have received the same letter few times, I had ignored them, but somehow one letter came to My boss’ desk, and he asked me to fill in the letter and post it,
And unfortunately I was in opinion it was just requesting confirmation data of our company relating with the exhibition we participated.
Really I overlooked the trapped sentences & very tiny letters & amount, it’s really A NASTY TRAP.
I was under deep stress and very fear a legal case may appear to my boss, until I found letters from you guys.
Even I know my boss understood me, when I told him this case, but it was still effect very badly to me, BUT NOW I REALLY have courage and feel relieve now, IT’S BECAUSE OF YOUR LETTERS.
Let’s spread this news, in order no other people experience stressfull life for their tricky trap.
Hi all,
I have seen the question “what will be their next step?” on the sites concerning Expo Guide fraud. Maybe I have an answere? Two days ago we got a mail to our “info-mailbox” from a company in Cyprus. The mail had some attachments with copies from fomer letters and invoices from Expo Guide. The mail was formal and contained the following sentences:
…..
Our client’s order form was received with a cover letter as an attachment. You will certainly agree that this covering letter is not made up to confuse the addressed party, as to the contrary it explains the possibilities in black and white, i.e. any corrections of the existing data to be done solely online and to use the enclosed order form only for a ‘payable insertion’. These instructions do not leave any room for any kind of misunderstandings, it is crystal clear.
Despite the afore mentioned facts our client is still willing to settle this matter amicably and therefore authorise us to deal with this matter.
…..
Yours faithfully,
Lisa Branson
Senior Credit Manager
INTERNATIONAL CREDIT MANAGEMENT
by Fobble Services Ltd.
Tsacon Court, 4th Floor,
187A Leontiou Str.
3020 Limassol, Cyprus
P.O. Box 53397
3302 Limassol, Cyprus
Tel : +357 25 27 06 00, Fax: +357 25 27 08 89
email: lb@fobbleservices.com
Though I did send the letter about “misstake signing….” they have continued sending invoices and threading with legal actions. I have, as many of you, waited for their next step. The day after the mail I was called on the phone and surprisingly I had Lisa on the line. I told her that now when I have a name, a phone No and an address in Europe I intend to make this a police matter. I also told her that I look forward seeing them at court in my country.
Lisa promissed to go back to her client and tell my complaints. Her client is probably not far away?
Jan
Thank you Sam for your answer!
Carolina!
Yes, I am based in Stockholm too!
Liisa
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Hi Carolina, thanks for commenting.
I don’t think *anyone* has been taken to court. The problem is that people comment here when they’re scared and then disappear.
If you – or anyone else here – actually progressed to court wouldn’t you be back here shouting, warning and informing people?
What I’m saying is this: the fact that people ‘disappear’ after posting here continues to suggest that *nothing* ends up happening (unless they cave in and pay – see above explanation of how this works).
Please, for the sake of all the future people who come here scare, we need YOU to keep posting to create a story of what happens next.
If you want, I’ll happily turn whatever happens next into posts on this blog – so that other people don’t have to go through the (unnecessary) fear and stress you have?
Hi Liisa,
I recieved the same letter as you on the 4th of novemeber from the legal department. I have to admit that I’m feel alittle sick when thinking about what happens if they actually does something instead of threatning. So i would also like to know, what happens after this threat from the legal department?
Liisa, it seems interesting how they send the letters to Sweden at the same time. Are you also based in Stockholm?
BR Carolina
Hi Liisa
To be more accurate their wording should read: “to avoid us being exposed and ridiculed in any court we might be stupid enough to try to bring charges in, please will you just be scared enough to pay up?”.
In all my research (including all the comments here and on other blogs) I have not yet found anyone who has been taken to court – out of the thousands who have been threatened.
I repeat, the modus-operandi of this organisation is to trick you into signing for 3 years contract, threaten you relentlessly and eventually ‘generously’ let you off with just having to pay 1 yr. For that to happen, they need you to get into communication with them.
If you don’t believe it, test it. I’ll bet you €10 that if you make contact with them and tell them you’re not willing to pay the full amount because you feel their contract was misleading, they will eventually (miraculously!) offer to let you off for just 1 year (approx €900 – leaving them €900 richer.
Like ALL scammers, the scam depends on you making contact with them. Why? Because if you do, they know you’re worried and that they’ve got you hooked, and are likely to feel so stupid / naiive that you’ll actually pay €900 to not have to tell your boss what a fool you’ve been etc. People contacting them is their way of ‘qualifying’ prospects for their scam.
If only 1 in a 1000 contact them, they’re still going to be making a lot of money – for doing nothing but emailing out pdfs.
Hello agan from Sweden!
Today I recieved the next thret, and the top of this “Demand for Payment” has a red colour now and the headline is: “Legal Department!” I don´t know which legal department – the adress is still the same to “Expo guide” in Mexico! Have they their own Legal Department maybe?
Now they say:
” The accounts dept has transferred handling of your unsettled account to our dept.You have signed a legally binding contract for a payable insertion and now the contractually set deadline for payment has long expired. To aviod a court recovery procedure, we urge you to remit the pending amount outlined below:”
And then there´s a new invoice and the same sum as earlier!
So they still think that it was a “contract” they have sent me – I must laugh!!!
So what can I do, what can I say? Has any of you get severel from this “Legal Department” – letters? How many?
Liisa
Hello,
I am also another victim of Expo-guide.
My suggestion to all: DO NOT PAY any penny. What they can do?? Nothing!
Regards from Croatia
Hi Liisa. I suspect what happens is that they start off by demanding 3 yrs worth of money which scares a fraction of the people they’ve emailed their dodgy form to.
Once they’ve got those people in communication with them, they then appear to ‘back down’ and agree to ’settle’ with just one year’s payment. At about 900 Euro, that means if just 1 in 1000 people go for it, Expo Guide are making serious money.
F**k ‘em.
Good for you, Elton. Remember to post back here if Expo Guide EVER actually take you to court
Good luck!
I have received many invoices and threads from Expo Guide.
Now, listening your comments, I am only ignoring them.
Elton
Brazil
Liisa from Stockholm again!
Hello!
(I´m the same Liisa från the 21 august)
Today I recieved my 3rd and “final overdue payment reminder” dated 1.10.2009, they ask for payment no later than 12.10.2009 !!!! After deadline of 14 days they will “take legal steps”!
Of course I will NOT pay!!!
To Carolina Lindahl – contact Swedish Trade Federation, they have advices for you!
I have not read about anyone who has been in to court yet. I say as many of you – what can they do?
It´s so hopeful to read all those comments from you, thank´s to Sam Deeks!
Liisa fron Stockholm
Sweden
So, let’s hear from someone – anyone – who has been sued via Mexico then. I’ll bet you no one has.
In all the research I’ve done so far, I’ve not heard from a single person or organisation who have been taken to court by any of these scammers. If they make money at all it is by intimidating people who feel scared – Or ashamed – enough to pay the 1 year that Expo Guide / World Business Directory ‘generously’ settle on.
I seek some advice from a friend who is a counsel. Apparently Expo Guide can take legal action on us in Mexico without us knowing. And I wonder how things will play out in that kind of situation.
Yes, we don’t’ want pay. But I worry a little big…Expo-Guide is scram…but we still have a contract and invoice…pffff.
I didn’t see somebody else form Bulgaria with this problem. Hope it’s only with our firm.
Hope Expo-guide dies soon.
Regards,
Boriana K
Thanks, everyone for posting. Makes useful reading for anyone else caught out by this. Marie, thanks for that info – I’ve just Tweeted it so maybe networksolutions.com will pick it up.
BK, good to hear you’ll pay nothing.
Still waiting to hear of anyone who was take to court by Expo Guide (with evidence to back it up, of course – so don’t bother with fake posts, Expo Guide lols)
Hello from, BULGARIA!
And we have a “contract” and we have received a invoice for 1180 euro!! WOW!
Now we will send a letter for “…Since the error was caused by you and was material in leading to conclusion of the contract, we contest the contract – in so far as a contract indeed even came into being….” and letter to Minister of Economy and Work Bundesminister für Wirtschaft und Arbeit (BMWA) Austria; Department for Competition BMWA Austria and Osterreichischer Werberat (OWR),c/o Wirtschaftskammer Wien .
Hope this will be enough! I’m checking every day here for news.
We will pay for nothing!
Regards!
Jamie, I got my legal notice two days ago too, and my case is also, apparently, scheduled for UK court recovery………
Hi everyone,
I’ve just been reading all of your comments and a) I’m so glad it wasn’t just me duped into signing the scam form and b) that you’re all refusing to pay! Please, please continue to do so!
Since I received my first invoice a few months ago, I immediately sent a cancellation letter as per the Stop ECG website and received similar replies to all of you. I wrote a further letter crafted by a lawyer and they still refused to budge. I wrote one last letter to state my position which was that I refuse to pay for such a ridiculous scam (I’m not even sure what the service is that they’re offering?!).
I’ve informed my local Trading Standards in the UK and they are ready to help if necessary.. The very worst Expo Guide can do here is take their ‘grievance’ to a small claims court and I’d like to think that with all the evidence, blogs, past precedents (Fairguide)etc it will be laughed out.
My advice is to get in touch with your country’s Trading Standards or Fair Trade organisation and make them aware. Also, re media – I’m aware that at least one UK paper published the case with Fairguide before it went to court.
Today I receive the second and arguably the last Legal notice with the interest piling up.
And last week I got a reply to my letter pointing out that they were misleading by associating themselves with the trade shows. They replied saying they consider their cover letter for the listing is entirely comprehensible once read and that the form was returned duly signed in the space reserved for a legally binding signature to confirm the contractual terms, which are located directly above the signature space. In short, they brush it off as error on my side for not reading through the terms and they want payment settled.
I will have to bring this up to my boss again.
Brooks, it will be great if you can put them to shame on International news!
I have found out that their website (Expo-Guide.com) is hosted by Network Solutions. I have sent an email to abuse@networksolutions.com advising them of the scam and pleading with them to investigate taking their site down. I know another victim who also did the same thing.
If they have no website, they have no way to cover up this tawdry operation.
I advise ALL of you to please send emails to Network Solutions with your story in hopes that the more letters they receive the more they will be inclined to investigate and take them down!!!
Thank you.
Hi,
I signed there misleading form in may and have got my second overdue payment reminder. I am stationed in Sweden so Expoguide made it all the way over here. I’m trying to be strong and not pay, but please IF anyone would to be dragged to court please list this on the website so t´hat we know.
Have anyone heard anything from Swedish companies?
I hope this discussion continues until Expo guide stop.
Thanks!
Carolina Lindahl
Stockholm Sweden
Hi Sam,
I have another question for you all…has anyone mentioned anything about the “fine print” missing from their original form?
I found a facebook group to “stop ECG” and a few people mentioned that they didn’t believe their original forms had the “fine print” on it, or that it was very faint to read thus why they signed the form.
I am looking at the “copy” of my signed form they sent back to me with the invoice and it looks like a good cut and paste job if you ask me! I am starting to wonder if that fine print was originally missing from the form that I signed…I always read fine print so it has been bothering me why I wouldn’t read theirs?
Perhaps it was missing or illegible?
Just thought I would bring that up and see if anyone thought or experienced the same thing.
Thanks!!
Glad to have been able to help. If you can find a way to get somebody in the US to make this mainstream, you’ll be doing the business world a huge favour. These people only succeed because their victims operate in relative isolation and because the governments and bodies supposed to protect them are 10 years behind the technological curve.
Let me know how far you get. There must be a LOT of people hit by this in the US… and at least some will have paid out of fear.
Good luck!
Wow, thank you so much. You don’t know how much your research and this site has helped me. I felt so ashamed that I was “conned” by these people but it really helps to know that I am not alone and that their operation is WRONG!
I have contacted the Fed Trade Commission and next step is the Post Office. I will continue to keep you posted on my progress. Oh, by the way, I also contacted the ABC news show “investigations” (I am in the PR industry). I will continue to spread the word to the press because this might be the only way we can really bring these people to light.
Hi Brooks, thanks for the comment. A quick bit of research with Google turns up evidence that Expo-Guide seems to have been in the US for a while. I wonder just how many people have been bullied into paying? What’s infuriating is that when there’s no official governmental agency working on the case, then there will be no statistics about just how many people have been scammed.
According to Jules Woodell’s excellent ‘stopecg.org’ site (http://www.stopecg.org) you could contact:
Federal Trade Commission
Office of Business Fraud
600 Pennsylvania Ave NW
Washington DC 20580
Tel: 1-202-326-2800
Fax: 1-202-326-2034
Email: OIG@ftg.gov
He also suggest that if you received the form in the post you could also file a mail fraud complaint with the US Postal Service. The URL he gives for this form is wrong, so I have tracked down the right page for you:
http://www.usps.com/forms/miscforms.htm (see last form on the list “PS Form 8165 – Mail Fraud Report”)
Finally try Econsumer.gov, though this is mainly for personal consumers http://www.econsumer.gov”
Hope that helps and just remember that no-one I’ve heard from so far has ever, repeat ever, been taken to court by those scammers.
Do let us know how you get on!
Hi,
I am in the same boat – signed the contract, and have received one invoice. I emailed and called with letters/messages that it was a mistake – and told them the letter was misleading. After weeks of email and calls I got an email saying that I could not cancel. By the way, sounds like the calls go to a home answering machine. And, the line is always has a lot of static…interesting to say the least!!
My question is – has anyone out there been a victim of this scam in the US? I don’t see any above but maybe I missed it. I am in the States…so where should I go to report them? And, what if any rules apply in the US to scams such as this?
I plan on ignoring all harassing correspondences for payments. My company is a world-wide business with more legal backing than they would want to contend with. If they try to take us to court , boy do they have another thing coming!!
Please advise on US victim situations if you can?! Thank you!!!
Today I have received the letter from Expo-Guide’s legal dept too. With the letter dated 02.09.2009, we were told to pay by 13.09.2009. But the letter arrived in the mail only yesterday. I will have to notify my boss of this and see how he wants to handle it. I will keep you guys posted in a while.
Another request for payment arrived. This time asking for the money to be sent to Italy. Now there is an image. So I have emailed Barclays, Italy. Barclays is one of the very few British banks not owned by the Her Majesty’s Government these days, pity. But I did copy in their press people and asked for a comment.
I also contacted the Italian Trade mission in Hong Kong, who refused to do anything. “Unfortunately, I must inform you that also from our side, there is nothing else we can do.” was their reply.
Got my legal notice today from Expo Guide warning me that I have got 7 days to remit and that my claim had already been scheduled for court recovery procedure in the uk.
Letter dated 26/08, received 17/09. I figure I am already over the 7 days so I might as well ignore it.
For information they are now asking that payment is made to a bank in Slovakia so they are moving about a bit.
My letter is now going to hit the bin. Best advice to everyone is shred and ignore. What an absolute p*** take. As if the world of business wasnt hard enough already!!
Thanks, Suraj! I managed to leave my MacBook power supply at work this weekend, but next week I’m going to pull together a pile more links about this scam into one place (and make a few new posts).
People who have enough online ’savvy’ to do a Google search will pretty quickly find people like us saying what a scam this is. The problem is getting this out into the ‘hardcopy’ small business world. In the UK, there are a huge number of business networking groups meeting every day of the week and that’s the place to raise awareness. Suggests to me some kind of ‘link up’ with the organisers of those.
Typically, in a room of 30 breakfast networkers (of the kind I used to go to) I’d say at least 75% were ripe for this kind of thing: i.e. they used email and had a website but practically no understanding of a) how the web *really* works and therefore b) the kinds of dangers out there.
It’s these people who need warning off – but it would have to be old-fashioned mainstream media or word-of-mouth on the ground.
Yes, I’m definitely planning on sending them a letter using the format given on Stopecg.org. It’s a great website. I’ve also continuously tried to call them but with the time difference I am never able to get through to someone. Anyways, I’m definitely not paying and now that I’ve confirmed it’s a scam I’m looking forward to having some fun with these guys if possible. I recently rcvd an email from “Euro Business Guide” with an attached form similar to the Expo-Guide one. I “unsubscribed” to their email list and included a few lines saying that I know they are a scam and that I have already notified HKTDC about them already. I doubt it will stop them from sending out more emails, so watch out for that one. Anyways, I would love to have them take me to court, it would be fun to take them down that way… but I’m sure they wouldn’t waste the time or money! All the best everyone!
Suraj – welcome to the club. You might like to join the Stopecg.org mailing list. You can contact me via that or ask Sam to pass you my email address. [will do - Sam]
The autumn Fair season is about to start in Hong Kong so watch for another flood of letters and worried people.
Thanks for commenting Suraj and good to hear that you feel confident about NOT paying these people. It’s very rewarding to find people who have been helped or reassured by these posts and all the comments building up over time.
Good luck to you and to anyone else who has fallen foul of Expo Guide or World Business Directory et al.
Keep those comments coming!
Hi Guys,
I’m also from Hong Kong and got hit by this scam. They sent me the form 2 or 3 times and I filled it out and sent it back to them. Of course I received an invoice a month or so later (I can’t remember exact length of time). I did find it a bit strange though because they even sent a copy of the form I filled out which is unusual. I ignored it because I didn’t want to fork out the money and also because I had a feeling something was up. Seeing that it was from Mexico, I decided to ignore it because I didn’t think they could do anything. Then I got letters quite often and just recently a letter from the “legal department”. After I received that I googled and found a number of sites discussing this scam. I’m glad I found it because I was getting a bit worried that they could affect my company reputation by taking me to court. I also talked to a friend of mine who has a law background and was informed that if they really had procedures setup in Hong Kong, I would’ve heard from a Hong Kong court already. Anyways, I haven’t even made contact with expo-guide yet. I tried calling them just now but no answer. Tony, since you’re from Hong Kong, if there is anything I can do to help, please let me know.
I did write to Watchdog suggesting that (for the reasons above) this might make an interesting investigation… but no reply. That may have something to do with their rubbish online ‘idea submission’ form.
I DO remember ‘Hilversum’! Spent my childhood exploring that mysterious, dark world of analogue radio stations. Remember listening to the cold war propaganda from Radio Moscow?
Now that Roget Cook had retired into academia and ITV only want to do phone in competitions the choices are limited.
Well I was going to have a go at a Radio5live programme – the Investigators – having already hit File on Four. The investigators returns in September, on that’s tomorrow. After that is BBC World Service – Assignment. They seem to be into this sort of thing.
Don’t know anyone at CNN these days. Swiss Radio International has all but closed down, but that is one country that has done something. I am loathed to go near any programme with Nicky Campbell in it, but then there is Watch Dog. If someone does a “news” type piece about this then you might get a C4 commissioning editor interested.
Oh I do know someone at Radio Nederland – That is Hilversum – to those of you old enough to have had a radio with place names on it. So I will pitch the story to them.
Go TONY, go!!
Expo-guide and World Business Directory (et al) would make such a great TV expose about how legislators fail totally to grasp the implications of online fraud.
Anyone know anyone in the documentary business? Thanks again, Tony – keep us in the loop. If you want to write a piece that I could publish as a single post, then please send it through and I’d be happy to do that (with a nice Google-friendly title of course)
I have contacted the Hungarian trade mission in Hong Kong. They say that unlike in Spain, you do not to have a company registered in hungary to have a company bank account there. But they are still thinking what do to.
I have also conatcted the bank they are now using in Hungary to warn them they may be money laundering.
Good for you Pei Lin – point your boss at these posts and the ’stopECG’ site for reassurance that these people are scammers and don’t have a legal leg to stand on. Best wishes
I’m a victim of Expo Guide too. I had just plucked up enough courage to spill the beans about my mistake to my boss. Thankfully he is understanding and bold enough to ask him to ignore Expo Guide. I will write in to them to cancel this and we shall see where that leads to.
From Thailand
My sister is also a victim. I write this letter to announce that the expo-guide’s devil coming to Thailand. I try to syop that order which came from their mislead letter. But they said ‘cannot cancel’ and have to pay immedeadly. Now I wrote a letter told them to cancel the mistaken order again. But I think they will still sending their invoice. So What can we do. Unfortunly we are not strong write and rread in English.
thank again. KK
Good to hear, and thanks for the additional information Tony.
So – if anyone is reading this after being bullied by Expo Guide (or any of the other rip off ‘directories’ that use the same deliberately misleading forms) please take heart from the fact that you’re not alone. And also from the fact that these people wouldn’t stand up in court anywhere.
Why don’t they take it to court? Not just because they’ll lose but because it would create wider awareness of what they’re doing – and that’s the only thing that will put them out of business.
Expo-guide have moved east. I hope due to getting in touch with the Spanish Authorities and Banks. They now request payment to go to Hungary, instead of Spain.
We have also spoken to the Spanish Trade mission in Hong Kong and the Spanish internet fraud police in recent days. You should contact your local Spanish trade mission too, as they need a Spanish company to have a Spanish bank account.
I am now contacting the Hungarian Trade missing to start complaining to them in the hope of getting then chased in Hungary.
I have also spoken to a Mexican Lawyer here in Hong Kong. He look one look and said, this is a scam and would not stand up in a Mexican court. They would have to raise a case in a Mexican court and get it approved. Then the case would go to the Mexican Justice ministry, who would have to approve it. Then it would have to go to your own government in order to get the case into your local court. None of which will happen he feels. Especially as most governments agree this is a scam. The form is not correctly made up and is not legal in Mexico. So their threats of taking you to court are very unlikely to get through all the hoops, even if they tried, which they are unlikely to do.
Good for you Rod and Liisa!!!!!
Let’s hope other people visiting this thread will gain confidence from your experience.
Hi!
I´ve also signin´that “order” s.t.s! For five years I´ve got letters from Expo-guide, but in april I signed – ant thougt that I was updating my details. In this letter was also the fairs namne whitch I´ve have had my exhibition – very misleading.
I also complained when I got the invoice, ( 2 months later) but it was of course too late – what else!????
Well, this is absurd, and I´ve got invoices, remenders, and letters. BUT I´M NOT GOING TO PAY! So, DON´T PAY!!!! Just ignore them!
Thank´s and goog luck to us all wictims!!!!
Hi, I am another victim of this fraud called Expo Guide. We’ve signed the letter couple of months ago, and now they’re charging us “delay fees”. I’ve contacted the company and the Mexican authority mentioned at stopecg website. And I will NEVER pay them. If they want, They’ll need to hire an international lawyer, which for sure will cost them more than USD1571,00.
Rod
Sao Paulo – Brazil
Tony, by a strange co-incidence, I’m replying to this from the transfer lounge in Hong Kong airport.. Sorry to hear you wife has such anxiety about it. Look at it this way, don’t pay and the worst they can do is take you to court. All evidence shows they’ve never taken anyone to court. So that’s 100% likely nothing would happen. Even if they did, then the worst that would happen is you’d have to pay what your wife is considering paying already.
Verdict? Just don’t pay
then come back and tell other people that nothing happened.
Best of luck,
Sam
Hello from Hong Kong. We have the scourge of Expo-Guide too. My wife has been caught by them and has got to “the pay us in 7 days or we will take you to court in Hong Kong” letter. HK law is based on British law still so this is still a scam here. But me and all the people in StopCG telling my wife not to pay, does not reduce her anxiety. She is very scared. Funny how the “pay us in 7 days” letter took 31 days to reach us.
We have written to them and pointed out that this was a trick by them and they should go away. I have contacted the Mexican trade mission, the Spanish government (as they want to be paid in Spain), the HK Government and The Austrian Trade Mission. Those who have read the StopCG site will know this all bears a strong resemblance to Construct Data, and Austrian outfit, that the Austrian Government have done battle with and won. I also wrote to the bank in Spain pointing out that they were getting money from a scam and may be liable. Shortly after this the bank we were asked to send the payment to changed. So I am trying the new bank too. So that line of action may have some effect. Real problem is that governments (Except Austria) will not act against them. Switzerland and the Czech Republic have raided parts of the empire, but it remains to be seen if that stops those parts of the operation.
Then you think, Spain, Mexico, No chance. Not the most active law enforcing counties you could name.
But has anyone had anything happen after the legal threats, and how many are there? We have one. Do we get a second or a third, how long before they go away?
Where is Roger Cook when you need him?
CR & CB – Thank you for your comments. I hope you don’t get bullied into paying these people. They use a form that is designed specifically to trick you into signing for their ridiculously expensive ’service’. How can you be sure it’s a trick? Because it’s the same format that has been used many times over to rip other people off under different company names.
What an absolute disgrace that our laws permit fraudsters to threaten innocent people!
FYI, I went onto the stoecg website & I am currently filing a complaint to the Mexican authorities as they suggest.
I have received already what they call in French the “last sommation to pay”.
It is very interesting, as obviously, it pushes on the “fear factor”. However, there is no way I will let a dime to these dishonest people & I have faith in justice.
As well, please note that on the stopecg website, they do mention that nobody has yet been served. We currently only all got stressful reminders & reminders.
don’t give up !!! We are still in a country with laws & justice proving often the common sense. We need to build up cases against them & I WOULD STRONGLY SUGGEST YOU ALL START FILING A COMPLAINT AT THE MEXICAN AUTHORITIES. It’s time consuming, it’s stressful, but worth it. I would very much appreciate seeing them having to ruin themselves paying back the victims who already paid !!
Hi everybody ,
I’m also another victim of signing the document by mistake a “contract” by “expo-Guide”. I have received two legal notices threatening me to pay pay $ 1571 with interst of $ 178 . I have writen them to send me a hard copy of the documentary evidence proving their claim that they have advertised in Expo Guide as per Foreign Exchange Regulation Act & RBI guidelines for remitting Foreign Exchange .
Now waiting for their response . Meanwhile , I will be obliged , if some one could suggest the action I should take to avoid legal procedure .
Regards .
CR
Thank you Sam. I have read everything and send a letter of complaint to Expo. Dont think they will accept it.
One thing though I have signed up with the group via yahoo but cannot seem to get any interaction with the people. I dont know how to do it. Do you or anybody know?
Thanks
Birthe, take the time to slowly read everything here and especially the ’stopecg’ site. That should help to calm you down a bit.
Hi
It seems that I am not the only one here. I received an invoice last week from Expo-Guide Mexico asking for payment of € 1, 181. I was so shocked. I have received forms for about a year, always ignored them then one day in June I signed it thinking they just wanted to be certain that my details are correct, after all it is FREE….or so I thought! God I was furious, immediately send them an email asking for my details to be removed last Friday. Heard nothing, wrote again on Monday. Nothing until the next day I received an email advising that I was too late to cancel within 10 days of signing the form! It was signed on 5th June 2009. A little over a month later I receive an invoice with an enclosed photocopy of my contract that I signed…that was when I read the tiny letters with the € 1, 181 and to my shock it is per year over a three year contract. Totally absurd.
I am obviously anxious that I would get demands after the payment is due on 25th July 2009. Help!
Hey, Mo.
Let them try to take you to a court (judging by everything I’ve read they won’t). Even if they did, they’d lose because this is a well-known rip off.
Read everything here http://stopecg.blogspot.com/2008/06/open-letter-to-owners-of-expo-guide.html and you’ll see you’re not alone.
Hello Sam!
Thank you for your review, I just want to share my shame with everybody who had similar “experience” with Expo Guide! I have signed on the dotted lines and I’m receiving emails and letters asking me for payment which I don’t have, my company went bust a couple of years ago and I want to put an end to these nasty emails from Expo Guide asking for “easy money”! How can I do that please? Kind regards.
Mo
Glad to have been able to help, Malcolm – I’ll continue to use the Google-power of this site to draw attention to such scams and rip-offs whenever I can.
If you come across something dodgy like this and want me to look into it (and publicise it) let me know!
Thanks for your review, you have saved us loads of money, I was going to sign up but thought I’d better do a google search, Thank od I did, what b…. who prey on small businesses., All the best Malc