Is TEMDI another directory scam ripping people off with misleading forms or a reputable company?
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As usual, you decide. And to help you, we’d like to build up a list of comments from anyone who feels they’ve been fooled into signing a ‘contract’ for services they don’t want by TEMDI – The European Medical Directory. If you want to know more, then consult the ever-vigilant Jules Woodell on his site ‘www.stopecg.org’ where you can find full histories of this and many other scams, plus all kinds of other useful information.
My advice is the same as that for another version of this scam (the Expo Guide scam which is currently still very much out there judging from the ever-growing list of comment on this post): don’t pay and don’t even contact them.
Remember, paying once tells them you’re worth bullying for more. Contacting them by phone tells them you’re afraid and worth bullying. Responding to them at all ‘qualifies’ you for a step-up in harassment.
The people behind TEMDI – Novachannel AG – have a long and ugly track record of this kind of practice. The form they use is very similar to those used in all the other directory scams and is carefully designed to make you think you’re signing for a free listing when in fact you’re signing for a 3 year contract at 950 Euros a year. Would they stand a chance in court? No – but going to court isn’t (never has been) a part of their, ahem, business plan. They make their money from frightening you into paying. If a tiny percentage are scared enough to pay, then out of the millions of mail-outs they send every year, they’re making a pretty packet.
We look forward to hearing your experiences of TEMDI – The European Medical Directory. The more people report their experiences on sites like this, the harder it wll be for these directories to rip people off.
If you’re approached by an online business directory (of any kind) you should use my simple, common-sense test to find whether they’re worth the money.
You just need to ask two straightforward questions. This test works as well for legal businesses like TouchLocal as it does for scams.
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Temdi contacto con nosotros y tal y como he leido anteriormente nos engaño haciendo creer que habia una publicidad y enterandonos posteriormente de que era por valor de 950 euros, es en se momento cuando contacto con ellos diciendoles que no estoy interesada ni puedo pagar ese dinero pero ellos siguen insistiendo y mandandome cartas a las que ni respondo ni tengo intencion de pagar ni un solo euro…es mas estoy pensando en ser yo quien haga la denuncia correspondiente porque es una vergüenza que haya gente que se dedique a estafar de esta manera
Roasario, my mate and I worked out (with his rough Spanish) that you feel you’ve been ripped off by TEMDI and are refusing to pay them a single Euro. Close?
Good for you! Perseverar!
Hi!
My mother is a doctor and she filled the formular and now she got an invice…we dont want to pay of course, but we i called the lady and asked what will happen if we dont pay she said “i wouldnt do that” with a very nice voice..We are little affraid that some legal actions will be taken against my mom…
This is a complete scam. Please let me know if this outrageous outfit have ever taken anyone to Court. Every doctor in Europe needs to be warned about this caper.
I agree Andrew – can you put this information out on a ‘pan-European GP network’ (if such a thing exists)? Any ideas?
I filled out their form thinling it was no more than a survey and was shocked to receive a demand for €900+. I have refused to pay on the grounds their ad was misleading and I have been threatened by their “legal dept.”. When I further refused to be cowed they offered payment by instalments. I then checked out their website, and surprise,surprise, my ad could not be found. There is no way I am paying them a cent.
Are the moo-cows for real??
Hi Andy. Like your puns
Sorry to hear that they’re trying to floss – sorry, fleece – you for €900+
Check out the information over at stopecg.org and keep searching the web but I don’t think you’ll find anyone who’s been taken to court for the money. I’m not speaking from personal experience since I haven’t had a direct brush with any of these scams (I’m too long in the tooth for that).. but it seems lots of people have, which means it’s good business for someone.
Did I guess your profession right, btw?
Hello,
I have the same problem: they want me to pay 950euros, because I signed thinking there was nothing to pay. They sent me back the bill!
I will not pay, and we will see what will happen.
I am ok to go to the court if necessary, I will pay for a lawyer.
I will tell you what will happen…
OD
That’s the spirit, Olivier!
I’m 100% certain that nothing will happen – so when it does (‘nothing’ that is) please do come back here and let everyone know. This sharing of personal experience is what really helps those people who are feeling afraid and alone with this bullying scam.
hello !
reçu également une facture récemment d’un peu plus de 900 € epour un contrat de “12 mois et les 24 mois suivants”! contrat signé (comme tous)… Mieux vaut “faire le mort” ou envoyer un message en indiquant qu’il y a tromperie et que le contrat doit être résilié?!
There is no contract since the signature is obtained by deception. Better playing dead, Bea
as far as I can see. Contact just makes them increase the bullying.
Hallo,
Below is the letter I intend to send to them concerning the same case:
Ms. Kate Turpin
The European Medical Directory
Av. Joao Crisostomo 38 C
1050-127 Lisbon
Portugal
05/05/2010
WITHOUT PREDJUDICE
Re: Inv.725.508.01 dd 16/06/2010
Dear Madam,
Further to your letter dated 29/04/2010, I would like to inform you about the following:
1. I consider that the procedure, used by your company for selling of your service is an unfair commercial practice:
- The so called order was not properly named as ORDER. It appeared to be just a FORMULAR for confirmation or correction of details in a free web-site.
- The price of your service is totally hidden between a text with the possibly most invisible shrift
- The conditions and the durability of the so called order were hidden in the same way
As a consequence I have been unaware of the fact that signing this kind of form is something that binds me. I just confirmed my details.
2. I would also like to know why the particulars of all my colleagues are published without any payment on their part and even without their knowledge. Please also note that your list for our town contains the particulars of medical doctors who have left the town, retired and even dead.
3. As I really consider that your kind of service is a legally framed attempt for unfair commercial practice or otherwise called – cheating, I have already contacted the relevant EU authorities. If needed and if you are continuing to disturb me, I will also contact and report t the case before :
Consumidores Mais Protegidos
Polícia de Segurança Pública Portuguesa and
Pacos do Concelho – Praca do Munícipio
And finally I clearly state that I do not want to publish my particulars in your web- site any more.
Hi – thanks for that comment. I’m very interested to know what response you get after you send that letter.
I think the best approach is not to reply; but you might be right – and you might find that by replying (as you have), their letters stop sooner than by simply ignoring them.
Either way – it would be very helpful if you would come back and comment telling us what happened. Good luck!
Hi,
Thank you for your comments. I will share what will happen after my letter. Anyhow I really beleive that people like this should be attacked. The victims of their scam are surely much more than the people writing here. There are many old doctors in the small villages which are isolated and some of them even do not use internet.
Furthermore this is not a financial scam which is aiming people who are interested in fast and unusually big profit. It is aiming doctors who are at most cases unaware of what really happens. They think they have made a mistake not reading the small letters in the text and they feel guilty and that is all. I have contacted the European center for the concumer rights for France but I have still not received any answer on their part.
Hello
They wrote me again, I demanded to be paid under threat of prosecution … Obviously, the sum has increased, I have a small fine for late payment …
I contacted them by mail, but they answer me by mail, with a nice letter in a good French (for a site based in Portugal …).
The funny thing is that when I type on google “Dumonceau temdi +”, I came across this site mukaumedia.co.uk, and not even on my profile on temdi!
I left excited, it will cost them dearly in stamps …
Moreover, my medical insurance will pay me a lawyer if it goes that far, then it continues, and I am informed …
soon.
OD
(original)
Bonjour,
ils m’ont encore écrit, me sommant de payer sous peine de poursuites… Evidemment, la somme a augmenté, j’ai une petite amende pour retard de paiement…
je n’ai communiqué avec eux que par mail, mais eux me repondent par courrier, avec une belle lettre dans un bon français (pour un site basé au Portugal…).
le plus drôle, c’est que lorsque je tape sur google “dumonceau + temdi”, je tombe sur ce site mukaumedia.co.uk, et même pas sur ma fiche sur temdi!
je les laisse s’agiter, ça leur coûtera cher en timbres…
par ailleurs, mon assurance médicale me paiera un avocat si ça va aussi loin, alors on continue, et je vous tiens informé…
à bientôt.
OD
Cher Olivier
Je suis heureux que vous avez trouvé ce site. La raison pour laquelle une recherche Google pour votre nom ainsi que le mot «Temdi» mène à ce site c’est que vous avez commenté ici une fois avant.
Comme vous l’avez constaté, Google ne vous trouverez dans le répertoire médicale européenne. C’est assez amusant.
Je suis heureux de vous entendre encore le refus de payer et de vous souhaiter la meilleure des chances. Ne vous préoccupez pas avoir à payer les frais juridiques de votre assurance – Je suis sûr que vous n’aurez pas besoin de.
Encore une fois, s’il vous plaît pardonnez mon manque de français – d’où le recours à Google Translate!
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Dear Olivier
I am happy you found this site. The reason that a Google search for your name plus the word ‘Temdi’ leads to this site is because you have commented here once before.
As you correctly observed, Google does not find you in The European Medical Directory. This is quite amusing.
I am glad to hear you are still refusing to pay and wish you the best of luck. Don’t worry about having to pay for legal fees from your insurance – I am sure you won’t need to.
Once again, please forgive my lack of French – hence resorting to Google Translate!
Bonjour, il m’arrive exactement la même mésaventure qu’à mes confrères. J’ai crus à une parution gratuite dans un annuaire médical et je reçois des injonctions de payer 950 euros. Vos témoignages sont très intéressants de même que vos conseils. Je ne payerai rien. J’ai informé notre organisme professionnel, le Conseil de l’Ordre des Médecins. Bien à vous.
Google Translate:
“Hello, I experienced exactly the same fate as my colleagues. I thought it was a free publication in a medical directory and I get orders to pay 950 euros. Your stories are very interesting as well as your advice.
I will not pay anything. I informed our professional body, the Council of the College of Physicians. Sincerely.”
Christophe, merci pour vos commentaires.
Il est très ecouraging de voir que ces postes sont d’aider les gens à prendre position contre ces répertoires d’entreprises escroquerie. Bonne chance!
(Christophe, thank you for your comments.
It’s very ecouraging to see that these posts are helping people to take a stand against these scam business directories. Good luck!)
I’m in the same situation as most of you: so misleading
firm thought something free. I’ve been two letters with a small surcharge
segunda.No think the pay or respond to any warnings. The
idea to notify the College of Physicians I find interesting. Let
without paying anyone. Sorry for my English. And do not stop we will publish what happening so that we can benefit everyone. Thank you.
Hello all,
I received in the post this morning a reminder to check my details listed on their directory.
I don’t remember signing up to their directory, I certainly didn’t pay that sort of fee if I did.
Anyway, I went onto their site to search for me and to see who else in was listed in my field.
I selected dietary and english (the minimum requirement for a search is to select two fields) and the page returned stated:
“Does not compute – you should not see me like this something went terribly wrong. I’ve logged it maybe that helps really can’t do much more, I’m just a robot you know!”
That error page says it all really!
Yours in healty and wellbeing
Janet
well that is odd, the picture displayed is my friend Nic, not me
Hi Janet
That message you got when you searched at TEMDI proves two things: first, that they’re a bunch of crooks. Second, their site (like so many) is designed by teenage muppets in a far off land.
Whenever I use a WordPress template, I often have to go into the code and edit out the inane, lame “it wasn’t me..” kind of responses that the developer has put in there. Problem is that sitting in their bedrooms coding they don’t realise that the rest of the world doesn’t necessarily speak (or think) like them!
As for your friend’s pic on your ‘gravatar’ there’s some odd WordPress madness there I can’t account for
I can’t even account for how my picture comes up when I comment on other peoples’ blogs. Somehow, WP has connected that pic with your ID maybe via a shared email address at some point? I dunno – it’s black magic 
Thanks for your comment!
And one more! I will not pay, of course. They send me a copy of my command and I’m sure it’s falsificated (the little paragraph where the price is notified doesn’t exist on the original, I think, but I don’t keep no copy of it, so I can’t proove it).
Anyway, the practice is illegal (article L 121-19 du code de la consommation) because they must send an acknowledgment of receipt of order before the withdrawal period expires.
Excuse me if my english is not correct, it will be Google fault.
Nueva carta y nuevo silencio por mi parte. De momento se mantienen educados, pero su fraude es evidente. No pienso ni contestar, pero ahora si guardo sus cartas, cosa que antes no hacia.
Translates as:
“New card and new silence on my part. At the moment, remain polite, but fraud is evident. I do not think or answer, but now if I keep your letters, which did not do”
Hola – mi mejor consejo es no hacer nada. Cuando usted no hace nada, se dan cuenta de que no está persiguiendo a un valor por el dinero y te dejan en paz.
(Bad Spanish courtesy Google Translate – but, hey, it’s better than I could do)
I was relieved after talking to the BDA that I wasn’t the only one who had signed a misleading piece of paper which ended up with a demand for payment for 970 euros!
I have had numerous letters which I sent back without opening after seeking legal advice from a good friend who happens to be a lawyer.
Apparently the European Medical Directory are misleading in numerous ways and I have a list of legal arguments which if taken to court can be used against them.
I cannot believe so many professional people have been targeted by this company. How can we stop this?
I did loose a little sleep over this matter but it was reassuring to know that others have also had the same experience!
Dear all,
I have sent them the following letter prposed to me by the Centre Européen des Consommateurs France
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Mesdames, Messieurs,
Par la présente je demande l’annulation de mon inscription à votre annuaire professionnel pour dol.
Le formulaire envoyé par vos services m’a induit en erreur, en me laissant penser qu’il s’agissait d’une vérification de mes données sans engagement de ma part et non d’une offre de contrat. Je n’aurais jamais donné mon accord pour une inscription payante.
Par conséquent je vous demande d’annuler ce contrat et de vous abstenir de toute autre démarche ultérieure.
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I copied the letter to the Police in Lisbon and attached all the documentation on my case.
Since then which was 15/05/2010 I have not received any letter from them.
C’est exact si vous avez signé ne surtout pas payer. La procédure est de contester la validité du contrat car la clause payante n’était pas à priori claire, cela supposait de donner ses coordonnées sans engagement. Je les ai dénoncé à la DGCCRF et la lettre de l’administration je l’ai mise sur le blog Eugenol rubrique Temdi.com.
N’hésitez pas à porter plainte si vous êtes harcelé. Enfin ils disent qu’ils refusent les lettres recommandés à leur adresse en France, ils n’ont pas le droit. Écrivez par lettre recommandé aux deux adresses et déposez plainte si nécessaire. Vous pouvez aussi déposer plainte et envoyer une copie de la plainte jointe à la lettre.
Leur site est Temdi.com , The Europeen Medical Directory , l’Annuaire Médical Européen.
Bonjour a tous,
Tout d’ abord merci a ce site d’ exister car on ne se sent pas seul devant cette bande de voyous qui nous harcelent.
j ai aussi signe et donc harcelé pour payer cette somme faramineuse qui s eleve a 1090 € (avec intérêts moratoire et frais de sommation…). Pour ma part j ai dénonce ce contrat, alerter le conseil de l ordre, mon syndicat(des radiologistes), et envoyé un double a la DGCRF, ainsi qu a son équivalent a Lisbonne. Ils avaient aussi utilise ma photo sur leur site(qu il avaient telecharge sur mon site) sans mon autorisation écrite.je l ai menace de poursuites puisque ils ne respectaient pas le droit de propriete. Depuis je suis barre de leur listing, je n ai donc plus aucune raison de leur payer un seul Euro. De toutes façons je n aurai jamais paye un seul cent pour ce genre de pratique et je vous invite a en faire autant.
pourquoi ne pas faire une lettre commune de dénonciation de contrat qui pourrait aider les prochaines victimes? Bien cordialement .JM
“Hello everyone,
Firstly thank you to this site to exist because we do not feel alone with this band of thugs who harass us.
I also sign and then harassed to pay the whopping s student who has € 1,090 (with interest and costs moratorium summation …). For my part I have denounced this policy, alert the council of the order, my union (radiologists), and sent a double to the DGCRF, and that has its counterpart in Lisbon. They had also used my photo on their website (that he had downloaded on my website) without my written permission. I have the threat of prosecution because they do not respect the right of property. Since I am listing their bar, I no longer have no reason to pay a single Euro. Anyway I’ll never pay No one cent for this kind of practice and I invite you to do the same.
Why not make a joint letter of termination of contract that could help the next victims? Sincerely. JM “
Jean
Merci pour votre commentaire. Le simple conseil que je donne est la suivante: ne répondez pas à ces gens et ne pas les payer.
Il n’ya pas de valeur pour faire une «lettre de résiliation pour ces gens parce que, comme ils vous ont poussé à la signature, en premier lieu, le contrat n’est pas légal de toute façon.
Si TEMDI fonctionne de la même manière que l’Expo Guide, World Business Directory et les autres, alors la meilleure chose que vous pouvez faire est de les ignorer complètement.
Bonne chance.
Am so glad to come across this website-i was duped the same way.
I received a letter a month ago asking me to confirm my details and it was worded on the front to say it is only to enter you onto the european database which you as a medical practitioner have a duty to comply with.
Stupidly i skim read the front and signed thinking nothing more of it until i was sent an invoice for 957 Euros. When i challenged this by writing they said i had missed the 10 day cooling off period (which how the hell would i have known about if it only says this in the returned letteri sent back to them as THEY requested?!!)and that i can now not get out of this ‘legally binding’ contract.
They were also ‘kind’ enough to send me a copy of my signature with the fine print advising about payment owed and time limits for termination but hey where was the first page of the letter that also went with this signature which misled me into thinking it was just a free website?
i have not paid these scam assholes a single cent and will be sending them some threatening letters back just for fun!!!
Sherry, you’re not alone
This scam uses a tried and tested format that’s been going for over 10 years. It just changes its name and its targets. Once in a while it relocates if the authorities in that region wake up and do something (very rare).
Other variants currently plaguing the world are Expo Guide, World Business Directory, World Business Register, European City Guide…
They all work on a simple, bullying psychology. I’ve outlined it here (copied from a reply to a comment on my Expo Guide thread):
Dear All
Like you I got conned by this group. A busy day and I ‘confirmed’ my details only to receive a bill for inclusion on the website. if it had been an email it would have gone in ‘junk’ but looked like a free website. I’ve spoken to my defence union and the British Dental Association who advise not to contact them except to say that I do not wish to be on the site and have no intention to pay.
In a way I’m glad I haven’t been the only person duped but no intention to pay.
Hi James – you’re not alone. Interestingly, I’ve far more traffic coming to this site for Expo Guide (a non-medical version of this scam). Makes me wonder whether TEMDI just haven’t blanked the world with forms as heavily as Expo Guide has, or just that fewer medical people fall for it and end up Googling ‘TEMDI’.
I don’t know the answer – but I do know it’s all the same scam, possibly even the same people underneath it all.
All my research and the experience with Expo Guide shows me that these scams work to a simple psychology: bullying. The thing to remember is that if you respond, you qualify yourself for further attention. If you then show concern or fear, you qualify yourself for even more attention as they get closer to you paying.
There is no evidence of anyone being taken to court by any of these variants of the ‘misleading contract’ scam. There is, therefore absolutely NO logical reason to contact them (even to tell them you’re not willing to pay). All you will achieve by doing that is to tell them that a) you’re alive b) at the right address c) concerned….therefore? You got it – worth bullying above and beyond all the other people who didn’t reply.
Do whatever you can in the real, ‘offline’ world of your professional associations to warn others about this scam.
Hi
Got tricked in, signed, won’t pay!
Yay!!!
Same problem. Also one sleepless night. I will never pay that idiot E957
My wife found your website today and we were greatly relieved and emboldened when we read the comments and suggestions. My experience is exactly the same as many who have signed up. I certainly will write to the Potugese authorities now.
Many Thanks again
Simon
You’re welcome. Glad to have helped
I am shocked that so many people are experiencing the same procedure and bullying I am being subjected to. Is it worth going to a solicitor or sending them a letter telling them that you know it’s all a scam? Would this stop the letters, which are becoming more insistent and expensive!!??
No – it would just tell them that you were a) alive and b) at the address they sent to – giving them two very good reasons (from a scamming business perspective) to invest more time and effort in bullying you some more.
Don’t respond and just throw their stuff away, and hang up when they call. They can do NOTHING to you.
Really!? I have had sleepless nights and become so ANGRY, as my first instinct when I received the E 957 bill was that I had been tricked and they were being disingenuous.
Thanks for the advice and confidence to just ignore them. I shall write to my professional body to highlight to others that Temdi is all a scam.
Hi
Got post last week — more of the same — hi hi.
Hi, I signed up as well. Pretty sure the form I signed did not have the small print relating to the payment. Unfortunately I didn’t keep a copy. I suspect the copy Temedi sent back is effectively a forgery. Certainly, based on all the correspondence above, I won’t pay a jot.
Glad to hear Paul
Keep us informed of any interesting / helpful developments – i.e. anything that would reassure people in a similar situation
We recieved also a letter from these people. It was adressed to the the previous dentist asking to confirm the data. I suspected a scam (we get such mail once in a while) and just looking at the ridiculous costs you know it’s bogus. Who would pay over a 1000 euro’s a year on some website to have your name/adress/logo on it? I mean for a regional practise it will never, ever pay off to do so. I went to their site and checked the entries in our town. It cointained every medical and fysio practise there. So they really got a database coupled there. However the info is over 3 years old from what I can see.
The letter I got was not as misleading though as they usualy are. They say you got free info and you can edit it for free (on the website) and when you want more you fill in the form and pay for a big ad with logo and all.
But still, over 1000 euro’s a year to be mentioned on a website no one will ever look for is insane. No realy company would charge that when you can have your own site (as big as you want) for a few euro’s a year.
A mí me ha ocurrido lo mismo que todos ustedes. Me mandaron una carta para poner sólamente la especialidad y firma. No había nada de precios, ni nada de nada. Además cuando firmo un contrato, debe poner un número de cuenta o ellos te lo piden para hacer el pago, y os aseguro que no ponía nada. A partir de esta firma me piden un ingreso de 950 € aproximadamente, que en la última carta van por más de 1000 euros. TEMDI ESTAFADORES, LADRONES, un saludo
“I happened the same as all of you. I sent a letter to the specialty and signature only. There were no prices, no nothing. Also when I sign a contract, it put an account number or they ask them to make payment, and I certainly do not put anything. From this firm asked me an income of 950 € or so, that the last letter will more than 1000 euros. TEMDI CROOKS, THIEVES, a greeting”
Sam,
Hands up, I’ve been duped as well.
I was just about to write back to them and claim the contract was obtained under deception but thought i would do some digging first.
Relieved to see that one simple google search came across your site and that it’s even easier to get rid of the problem than it was to get into it.
Just ignore it.
Ther only sleeoless nights I will be having are due to my 6 week old daughter.
Many thanks
Chris
Me too. And I’m a complementary therapist. Although I used to work within the NHS I now only work privately on a part time basis. So they’re branching out to the alternative health practitioners now. Does anyone have a copy of the original form? I mean a copy YOU made, not one sent to you by TEMDI. I really find it hard to believe all that small print was there when I signed. It takes nothing to edit it in once they receive the signed form.
I’ve paid nothing, and continue to get letters, with interest added. If what Olivier (June 16 2010) says is true: “Anyway, the practice is illegal (article L 121-19 du code de la consommation) because they must send an acknowledgment of receipt of order before the withdrawal period expires.” then surely nobody has anything to worry about?
Thanks for being there – moral support and all that.
Its been 5 months since i ‘supposidly’ signed to advertise with these fools from Temdi. Each month they send me letters with the amount that i owe getting bigger and bigger (so they have the ability to increase the charges as they feel also i see) I have not bothered to reply following my first letter and am getting threatening letters which i also dont bother to reply to. So let them send their Portugese cronies over to threaten me into paying like i am some scared little sucker-they will have more luck getting me to put my head into a lions hungry salivating mouth than pay them a bean!
Go Sheila!!
Hola a todos: Despues de un verano, y lo que va de otoño, en total tranquilidad, empiezo a pensar que se han olvidado de mi. Esta es la razón por la que doy las gracias a todos uds.: tenían razón, lo mejor era no contestarles. Y por esta razón me atrevo a aconsejar a todos que no contesten a nada. Saludos.
Recueden que la traduccion es automática, lo siento.
Hi all: After a summer and fall so far, a total calm, begin to think that they have forgotten me. This is the reason that I thank all of you.: They were right, it was best not to answer. And for this reason I venture to advise everyone not to respond to anything. Greetings.
I remember it that the translation is automatic, sorry.
Hi Manuel – thanks for coming back to comment again. Good to hear that you’ve been left alone
Should they be prosecuted??? I tear up all their letters.
yo lo hice peor aún, les he pagado, me enviaron la copia del contrato firmado, y me reconocí culpable, cuando les envié el resguardo de la transferencia con una carta dándome de baja para el próximo año me respondieron que yo estaba suscrita por 3 años irrevocablemente.
esto ya me hizo consultar con la asesoria juridica de mi colegio y me enteré de quienes eran esta gente, el contrato no es legal segun las leyes de consumo españolas que no pueden ser muy distintas de las portuguesas, ya que contiene varias clausulas abusivas y no puede ser irrevocable por 3 años cuando el consumidor no esta de acuerdo con el producto. Enfin les voy a reclamar mi dinero que nunca conseguiré, pero remitiré tambien mis cartas a la policia de Lisboa como aconseja en la web adjunta.
“I did worse, I paid them, they sent me a copy of the signed contract, and recognized me guilty, when I sent the receipt of transfer with a letter giving me low for the next year I responded that I was signed for 3 years irrevocably.
I did this and consult with legal counsel of my school and I found out who were these people, the contract is not legal according to the Spanish consumer laws that can not be very different from the Portuguese, as it contains several clauses and not abusive may be irrevocable for 3 years when the consumer disagrees with the product. Enfin I will claim my money that I’ll never get, but my letters also refer to the Lisbon Police advised in the attached web. ”
Sorry to hear that you paid those people. I think some of the legal advice that people are given on this matter isn’t great. I’m not a lawyer – and I’m not giving legal advice. What I’m doing is pulling together lots of victim experiences to expose these people as scammers.
Thanks for commenting
Siento mucho lo que ha pagado a esa gente. Creo que algunos de los consejos legales que las personas se dan en esta materia no es muy grande. Yo no soy un abogado – y yo no voy a dar asesoría legal. Lo que estoy haciendo es reunir un montón de experiencias de las víctimas para exponer a estas personas como los estafadores.
Gracias por comentar
What a relieve to find this site! Of course it was careless of me to sign without reading the small print. The lay out of the “contract” looks like all the directory updates and I was having a busy day and wanted to get paperwork out of the way…won´t happen again for sure. Anyway, I tried to let them know it was a mistake when they sent me the invoice and told them that I recognized my “error” but that I was not prepared to pay the whole sum. I received a letter offering me a discounted price. When I asked for a written confirmation that that would be the end of it I was kindly informed that I had signed for three years and couldn´t cancel…that was when bells started ringing. That is just ridiculous. I told them I would be contacting my lawyer. I have just received three more letters requesting payment. I can´t believe these things happen. What a scam. Thank you for your information and your effort to get these companies denounced. I am definitely informing Portuguese police and consumer organisation.
Kind regards, Marina Arts
Marina, you are welcome. Keep on NOT paying
Thank you ever so much for this site!!! This is my story.
1. In September 2010 TEMDI sends me a letter and asks me to confirm the data they obviously have copied from our web page. The letter does not mention any costs and gives the impression to be a free service. -I did not respond to the letter and still have it in my possession.
2.In the end of September a second letter came where TEMDI thanked me for having ordered a publicaton on their webpage and provided the web address to confirm the data and with a possibility to edit data -I remember I looked at the provided webadress but do not remember if I did any editing, but I do remember there were no costs mentioned.
That I looked at the webpage was probably my mistake to be recognized as a good target for their scam.
3. In the beginning of November comes the first bill- 957 Euros – I do not respond but start to question myself -did I sign anything? I found the original first letter and recall I never answered it, and start to suspect a scam.
4. In the end of November a second bill comes and now the situation starts to be really unpleasant. I went to my accountant to ask her if I have to turn to a Lawyer. She Googles Temdi and finds your site. -What a relief. I am not alone in this! I will contact the local Dentist organization so that colleagues can be warned, and will try to make them contact other professional organizations as this scam seems to aim the whole health sector.
I take your advice and will not contact them at all and not pay a cent!
Thank you again – and together we are strong!
Lars
Me gustaría establecer contcto directo con ROSARIO, MANUEL, V.FERNANDEZ
así como otras VICTIMAS espñaolas que pueda haber.
E-mail: bog@mundo-r.com
“I would like to establish direct contact with ROSARIO, MANUEL, V. FERNANDEZ
as well as other Spanish victims that may exist.”
Good luck Benjamin – but unless you give some idea WHY you want to contact them, you might not get them contacting you… How do they know that you’re not from Expo Guide or TEMDI… ?
Good to hear, Lars – thank you for commenting. I don’t know too much about TEMDI – except that it conforms to the same ‘misleading contract’ scam format as the others. Where it appears to be different is that (judging by some comments) TEMDI victims often say that they didn’t sign anything… whereas most – if not all – Expo Guide victims who come here say that they DID fill in the form and return it.
They keep on sending me bills. I got the fourth reminder, the amount I have to pay, now is E 1033. Also legal threats.
Thanks to this webside, I keep on to ignore them.
Rob, the Netherlands
deal all
i have been fooled into sending back a form from this scam operator.
requests for payments are coming. i wrote to them declining any payments. got a promt reply signed by a tuprin who even advised me of payment in instalments.
I am grateful for this site. will keep you posted.
I have written to portugese police, the mayor of lisbon and am planning to write to my local Member of the european parliment.
I am not going to pay even a single penny.
Senthil
england
Felices Fiestas a todos. Sigo sin recibir noticias de esta gentuza. Este post es para Benjamin. Tu correo es de una página de mal aspecto de Portugal. No es de fiar. Yo quisiera ayudarte, pero no me atrevo a enviarte un correo por poder ser esta la forma en la que abra las puertas del infierno de TEMDI. Lo siento. Feliz año nuevo a ti y a todos los del foro.
Happy Holidays to all. I still do not hear from this rabble. This
post is for Benjamin. Your email is a bad aspect page
Portugal. Untrustworthy. I would like to help, but I dare not send
a mail order as this is the way the doors open
TEMDI hell. Sorry. Happy New Year to you and to all the forum.
Felices Fiestas.
-A mi, como a todos, no se cansan de enviarme facturas, primero de “Med1Web” y ahora de “Temdi”. De la primera dicen que les debo 3.000 euros. NI CASO…Nunca les he contestado, aunque me estoy cansando y la verdad ya no se si dirijirme directamente a la Agencia Española de Proteccion de Datos y que sean ellos los encargados de poner las cosas en su sitio y que dejen de darme la lata. Para hacer uso de mis datos, por la LOPD, necesitan mi consentimiento previo y la Agencia es la encargada de protegerme.
-A Manuel(December 22 le dire que esta confundido con Benjamin. Su correo no es “de una página de mal aspecto de Portugal”. La direccion Mundo-r.com corresponde a los abonados de “R Cable” (Telefonia Movil y por Cable de Galicia)(Que todo sea dicho de paso, a parte de tener las tarifas mas bajas, es una de las mejores Telecos que existen actualmente en España). Si eres un buen “buscador” te enteraras de que Benjamin es Medico de una bonita ciudad de la costa gallega.
-Benjamin te mando un correo.
Un Saludo a todos.
“Happy Holidays.
To me, as all are not tired of sending bills, first of” Med1Web “and now” Temdi. ” In the first say that I owe $ 3,000. OR IF … I’ve never answered, but I’m getting tired and the truth and do not know if go directly to the Spanish Agency for Data Protection and are they responsible for putting things in place and stop pestering me. To make use of my data by the Data Protection Act, you need my consent and the Agency is responsible for protecting me.
-A Manuel (December 22 will tell you that is confused with Benjamin. His email is “not a bad looking page in Portugal.” Mundo-r.com The address corresponds to the subscribers of “R Cable” (mobile and Cable de Galicia) (it all be by the way, aside from having the lowest rates, is one of the best Telcos that currently exist in Spain). If you are a good “search engine” you found out that Benjamin is a Medical beautiful city of the Galician coast.
-Benjamin I send an email.
A Salute to all. “
Same thing happened to me – completed form in a hurry assuming it was a free listing. Then had several letters at end of 2009/ early 2010 – ignored them. I have now retired from that practice, but the letters have started again – on the anniversary of the original demand. I have just put them in the bin and certainly won’t be paying or responding to these crooks.
I followed the advice on the stopecg site and wrote to all the EU MPs. All replied and said they were aware of this scam but no-one seems able to do anything to stop it because there are no cross country laws – this means that they operate from Portugal but mail only countries outside Portugal so apparently can’t be prosecuted in Portugal. Very frustating.
The BMA were very helpful too as they put me in touch with the stopecg site. The guy there also found the name of the author of the letters amusing – her surname is listed as Turpin – remember Dick???
Maybe we should all visit Portugal together and confront them in their offices!!
Aclaración a la nota que puse el 14.12.10. Veo que algunos no os fiais de mi veracidad y pensais que soy un “espia” de TEMDI. Nada de éso, soy una víctima mas.
Veo que en estas páginas nadie se identifica, yo sí, no me importa hacerlo, pues si lo que se pretende con ello es esconderse de los pillos de TEMDI, para qué? tienen nuestras direcciones perfectamente.
Podeis encontrarme tecleando en Google mi nombre BENJAMIN OUVIÑA GARCIA.Soy médico-oftalmólogo y ejerco mi profesión en VILLAGARCIA DE
AROSA (Pontevedra). Mi E-mail es el que ya sabeis, y en efecto R-CABLE
es una empresa séria de telefonia fija y móvil y de tv por cable en Galicia.
Mi intención es contactar con otras personas (a ser posible españolas)
victimas de esta gentuza y unirnos para luchar contra ellos, aunque creo que lo mejor es no hacer ningún caso.
Mi historia es como la de todos, quizá en una fase más avanzada, pues ya llevo 1,5 años aguantandolos. En junio del 2009 recibí el famoso formulario en el que me preguntaban si mis datos eran correctos y yo
me limité a decir que sí, firmé la hojita y se la envié pensando siempre en una propaganda gratuita. Se sucedieron cartas reclamando el
pago de los 957 e. y cada vez por importe más elevado. Cuando ya llevaria unos 6 meses sin recibir nada, recibo otro formulario idéntico en el que me dicen que si quiero ser borrado de su base de datos haga una X en el recuadro correspondiente, logicamente me apresuro ha hacerlo y devuelvo el formulario con una X grande y bien visible. Cual es mi sorpresa que al cabo de 3 meses recibo una carta diciendo que siguiendo mis deseos me renuevan la inscripción para el próximo año 2011, y me adjuntan nueva factura que sumada a la anterior ronda los 2.300 e. Por supuesto hasta la fecha no he pagado nada ni pienso hacerlo. Insisten en que le de mi número de cc…y un
huevo.
Saludos a todos los del FORO y FELIZ AÑO (si nos dejan)
“Clarification to the note you put on 12/14/1910. I see some Fiais you not my truth and do you think I am a “spy” of TEMDI. None of that, I am a victim.
I see in these pages one is identified, I do, I do not mind doing it, because if what is intended by this is to hide from the rogues of TEMDI, why? have our directions perfectly.
You can find me on Google by typing my name BENJAMIN GARCIA.Soy Ouviña medical ophthalmologist and practice my profession in Villagarcia de Arosa (Pontevedra). My E-mail is that you know, and indeed R-CABLE is a series of fixed and mobile telephony and cable TV in Galicia.
My intention is to contact other people (preferably Spanish) victims of this rabble, and unite to fight them, but I think it’s best not to make any case.
My story is like that of all, perhaps at a later stage, for 1.5 years I’ve been enduring. In June 2009 I received the famous form that asked me if my details were right and I just say yes, I signed the leaf and sent it into a propaganda always thinking free. There followed letters demanding payment of the 957 e. and increasingly higher amount. When it takes 6 months without receiving anything, I get another identical form in which they tell me that if I want to be removed from their database make an X in the box, I hasten logically has to do it and return the form with a large X and clearly visible. What is my surprise that after 3 months I got a letter saying that according to my wishes I renew the registration for next year 2011, and I attached invoice for the previous round together with the 2,300 e. Of course so far I have not paid anything or going to.
They insist that my cc number … and an egg.
Greetings to all and HAPPY NEW YEAR FORUM (if we leave) “
Benjamin, no te preocupes, no creo que usted es un espía TEMDI.
Gracias por comentarlo. Creo que la mejor manera de hacer daño a los estafadores es no pagar – y ayudar a otros a no pagar. Medios de comunicación social y la Internet es el peor enemigo de los estafadores.
High bloodpressure, on this subject. Good to have found this website today.
Hola a todos. Vuelvo a asomarme al foro hoy y veo las consecuencias de mis reparos a Benjamín y el error tremendo que he cometido con su servidor. Lo siento mucho y rectifico enseguida poniendome en contacto contigo Benjamín.
Hello everyone. Back to peek at the site today and see the consequences of my objections to Benjamin and the huge mistake I made with their server. I am very sorry and rectified immediately putting me in touch with you Benjamin.
Estimados Compañeros
Mi situacion es exactamente como la estais describiendo todos
Me han engañado y acabo de recibir nuevamente la factura por el año 2009-10, y la del 2010-2011 sin consentimiento alguno por mi parte.
Creo que esto nos esta haciendo daño y que no podemos permitir que nos engañen
Porque no formamos un grupo y denunciamos a esta gentuza de una vez??
yo por mi parte ire al colegio de medicos y le pasare a la asesoria juridica este problema
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Dear Colleagues
My situation is exactly as YOU ARE describing all
I’ve been fooled again and just received the bill for 2009-10, and the 2010-2011 without any consent from me.
I think this is hurting us and we can not allow ourselves to be deceived
Because there are a group and denounce this rabble once?
I for my part I will go to medical school and will move to legal advice this problem
He recibido una nueva carta de ellos, me dicen que al haber pagado el primer año de suscripción yo misma he reconfirmado la aceptación de los términos y condiciones de contrato, me parece el colmo del cinismo.
También me dicen que este no es un contrato de consumo porque yo soy una profesional autónoma y que por tanto no me puedo amparar bajo los derechos del consumidor, no comprendo en que se basan para decir esto.
No voy a contestar ya a sus cartas, me limitaré solo a poner el caso en manos de la policia como han hecho otros compañeros.
Según he sabido por algunos compañeros que les ha pasado esto anteriormente, sus amenazas de llevarnos a los juzgados no se cumplen nunca, se limitan a enviar cartas hasta que se cansan si no se les hace caso y lo dejan, así es como actuaban cuando eran la empresa novachanel en Suiza.
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I received another letter from them, I say that having paid the first year’s subscription I myself have reconfirmed the agreement to the terms and conditions of contract, it seems the height of cynicism.
I also say that this is not a consumer contract because I am a freelance professional and therefore I can not protect consumer rights under do not understand that they are based to say this.
I will not answer his letters and to confine myself only to put the case into the hands of the police as they have other partners.
As I learned from some friends that I had this happen before, its threats to take to court are not met ever, are limited to sending letters until they get tired if you do not heed them and leave, that’s how they acted when they were novachanel company in Switzerland.
At the end of 2009 my wife, who own’s a practice, signed the TEMDI contract but was unaware of the implications (busy, busy, busy). Afterwards she noticed the 957 euro in the small prints. Being afraid of legal prosecution she paid the first invoice. Directly afterwards she send 2 registered letters to Lisbon, to get rid of the contract, or at least after the 36 months. They never responded. Now she’s having the second reminder for the second invoice and is getting very nervous about it. She will ask her legal assistant about her rights. What I am curious about is the legal status of the contract. V Fernandez (November 29) says that their contract might not be legal. I had the same feeling, especially because of the ’12 months and the following 24 months’ mentioned in the contract. Has anybody found this out yet (through legal assistance)?
Ralph, nothing about this is legal. It’s a scam, a con, a rip-off. These people take refuge in the fact that, before being declared illegal, they could (if necessary) waste a lot of time pretending they had no intention of misleading people. They don’t of course – they wouldn’t go near a court if you paid them for the simple reason they’d lose, very quickly. The fact that this scam is worldwide, with a dozen or more different variants and has a long, long documented history shows quite simply that…it’s a scam.
As such, you need to tell your wife to stop worrying. These people – like the people behind all these scams (often the same few people) – have no power to take you or anyone else to court. Their scams depend on you being scared or ashamed enough to pay.
On this site I have hundreds of comments from people hooked into the Expo Guide variant of this scam. http://www.mukaumedia.co.uk/expoguide-scam-decide-yawn/ Different name, same trick. Please take the time to read these comments and do your research online. You’ll find no evidence of ANYONE ever being take to court. That should reassure you and your wife.
Remember, these people WILL bully you until either a) you reply (in which case they’ll bully you harder) or b) they realised your refusal to reply indicates they’re not going to make money out of you.
Best wishes
Dear ralph
I’d take Sam’s advice and ignore all further correspondance – mail or telephone and suggest if they want to discuss it further you’ll pass on their enquiries to your legal advisor (but don’t bother to do so). From my experience they’ll eventually go away
James
I work as a receptionist in a practice that is owned by a detist but run by an assosiate. I also signed the form thinking it was a free service on behalf of the dentist. We have been receiving demands for payment from nov09 which keep going up and up. I contacted temdi by phone and was told to cancel in writing. of course when i did this i received a letter back saying that a legally binding document had been signed and could not be cancelled. My boss said not to worry but i still have had sleepless nights and worried about my job. The last bill came in afew days ago saying that legal action would be taken and i checked on line and found your web site. I am so relieved!! any letters that come from now on will go straight into the bin.
Good advice from your boss Clare – heed it
There won’t be any legal action, so relax, ok?
Me dirijo a todas las victimas que hay en este momento de estos granujas de TEMDI (por llamarlos de una forma suave y cariñosa)
¿Qué os parece si les devolvemos la pelota y pasamos a pedirles dinero nosostros en estos terminos:
POR EXTORSION CONTINUADA Y DAÑOS PSICOLOGICOS Y MORALES EXIJO UNA COMPENSACION ECONOMICA DE 14.300 EUROS. DESCONTANDO LOS 2.300 QUE SEGUN USTEDES ESTIMAN LES DEBO, QUEDA UN SALDO A MI FAVOR DE 12.000 EUROS.
lES RUEGO A LA MAYOR BREVEDAD ME ENVIEN POR EL MEDIO QUE ESTIMEN MAS
CONVENIENTE DICHA CANTIDAD, LA CUAL IRA AUMENTANDO CON EL PASO DEL TIEMPO EN CASO DE IMPAGO.
Saludos a todos: BENJAMIN
••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••
“I am writing to all victims that are in this moment of these rogues TEMDI (to call in a gentle and loving)
What do you think if they give back the ball and we had to ask for money us in these terms:
EXTORTION BY CONTINUOUS AND DEMAND psychological and moral damage compensation from 14,300 EUROS. Adjusted 2300 BELIEVE THAT AS YOU owe, leaving a balance in my favor of 12,000 euros.
I beg THEM SEND ME THE means it considers most
CONVENIENT THAT AMOUNT, THE IRA IS INCREASING WITH THE PASSAGE OF TIME IN THE EVENT OF DEFAULT.
Greetings to all: BENJAMIN
Nice one Benjamin. Only 14,300 euros for the stress and inconvenience?? Let’s get a couple of US lawyers onto it – push up the numbers
I also signed a ‘confirmation of details’ form which I understood to be for a FREE entry on a web-site. Got the invoice and asked for copies of the order form they said I’d signed and said I was getting legal advice. Surprise surprise ….they sent a copy of page 2 of 2 but no sign of page one or the covering letter they said they’d originaly sent which they claim is all part of the ‘Contract’. Was about to contact my solicitor but thought I’d check the Temdi web-site and see my listing. Well you’re right I’m not there!! And now that I’ve found this site will stop worrying and start sleeping again!!
Thanks for being there
Oh my God!!!! Just finished reading everyones comments.
Same as everyone I got a letter saying we currently hold this information on you on out free lisiting please confirm details and send us this form back, I checked, corrected some and sent it back. About 1 month later I recieved an invoice for £1250.91- not remembering them at all, I just crossed it off and wrote “Have made no such order, please take me off your records”. I recieved a letter 3weeks later with a copy of the form apparently signed and aletter saying here attached is a binding contract which you cannot leave for three years and if you want we can discuss paying in installement. Ms. Kate Turpin was kind enough to also tell me that their lisitng was the best and attached information they currently list about me; only problem was the information was completly wrong, even my website, and it said I work 8am-8pm every day.
I replied via e-mail telling her the signature attched was not mine (it was signed by the practice manager) and therefore I dont owe them anything and I have no intention of paying for this, particularly as the information listed is incorrect. I advised they track down whoever signed the form and remove my listing.
Imagine my suprise when I checked their site and google and I aint even listed!
Major Scam alert. They have not replied to my e-mail but I assume they will be sending a length evil worded response!
I dont know what posting to London, UK is costing them but they sure are wasting their time and money with me!
Yes. Big fat nasty scam Zahra.
Do what you can to warn other people in your field.
A nosotros nos enviaron una carta para corroborar los datos y la dirección, así ya tenian el contrato de publicidad firmado, tambien queremos mover el tema de denunciar, ya hablamos con una abogado del tema.
nosotros nos apuntamos!!
“A We sent a letter to corroborate the data and address, and had already signed advertising contract, we also want to move the issue to report, we talked to a lawyer of the topic.
we are aiming!”
nosotros nos apuntamos!!
Bonjour,
je suis aussi une victim des agissements Temdi. Ils me harcèle depuis près de 2 ans maintenant me réclamant des paiement pour 2009-2010, 2010-2011 et même 2011-2012! Je n’ai jamais rien payé. J’ai juste envoyé un mail dès la reception de la première facture et une lettre en recommandé pour leur demander de ne pas paraître sur leur sîte. Depuis je me contente d’ignorer leur relance et je pense bien que c’est la seule chose à faire…
Bon courage à tous
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“Hello,
I am also a victim of acts Temdi. They are harassing me for almost 2 years now I claiming payment for 2009-2010, 2010-2011 and 2011-2012 even! I never paid anything. I just sent an email upon receipt of the first invoice and a registered letter asking them not to appear on their site. Since I am content to ignore their recovery and I think that’s the only thing to do …
Good luck to all”
Salut
(Toutes mes excuses pour mon mauvais français Google!)
Merci pour votre commentaire. Je suis heureux que vous ayez trouvé ce site. Vous devez ignorer leurs tentatives de récupération de l’argent. Je n’ai pas vu aucune preuve pour prouver qu’ils ont des droits en droit d’obtenir des fonds auprès de vous.
Rester fort et ignorent leur intimidation!
Meilleurs vœux
Sam
I´m very happy after I found this forum. I´m a just pensioned cardiologyst in Valencia / Spain and about 2 years ago TEMDI sent me the same letter as to the other colleagues.
After the 3rd letter they said that I´m indebt of about 1.500 €. I sent TEMDI a letter telling them that I´ll go to the court if they insist. Up to day (2 months) I did not receive any other letter.
I agree with the intention to take legal measures against these people. I´m sorry my English is not very good.
Jose, welcome.
They will never take you up on your offer
Nueva carta en la que ya me piden 2437,11 €. Copio y pego la respuesta que le he enviado.
[Cómo veo que intentan seguir estafándome, les envio la dirección en la que a partir de ahora quiero que se dirijan a mi. Es con mi abogado con que tienen que hablar acerca de su intento de estafa. Desde ahora mismo, les reclamo 20000€, en concepto de extorsión y persecución psicológica. Sirvanse ponerse en contacto con mi abogado en esa dirección para abonarlos antes del 16/05/2011.
También les exijo que desde ahora mismo me den de baja de cualquiera de sus ficheros. Gracias.]
Por supuesto, todo hecho desde su página web, desde contactoenos, no desde mi correo particular.
Exigen un e-mail válido. No lo pongais, inventense alguno. Por si a alguien le interesa, creo que de poner alguno, debemos poner todos el mismo para que si existen mas adelante problemas juciciales vean los jueces que ha sido una maniobra pensada pa ra protegernos. Yo he puesto:
nosoytanincauto@yahoo.com. Así en español
I’mnotthatgullible@yahoo.com Así en Inglés
Jenesuispascrédule@yahoo.com Así en frances
Así lo he hecho yo, y si no sirve, a seguir en silencio. Si llegan a pagarme, les aviso para que lo hagan ustedes y luego hagamos una bonita fiesta de celebración todos. Gracias y saludos.
Por favor, no den ningún dato personal suyo. Suerte.
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New letter and asked me € 2437.11. Copy and paste the answer I sent.
“How I see trying to keep cheating, will forward the direction in which I will now be directed to me. It is with my lawyer that they have to talk about your attempted fraud. From now, they claim € 20 000, by way of extortion and psychological persecution.
Please contact my lawyer in that direction to pay them before 16/05/2011. We also demand that from now withdrawing from me any of your files. Thanks.”
Of course, all done from your web site from contact nos, not from my direct mail.
Require a valid e-mail. Do not do them, make up one. If anyone is interested, I think to some, we put all the same so that if there are problems later juciciales see judges has been a pa ra maneuver designed to protect us. I have set:
nosoytanincauto@yahoo.com
I’mnotthatgullible@yahoo.com
Jenesuispascrédule@yahoo.com
So what I did, and if it does not, to remain silent. If they pay me, I warn you to do so and then make a nice party to celebrate everyone. Thanks and regards.
Please do not give any personal information about you. Good luck.
Hola Manuel
Gracias por tu comentario. Puedo prometer usted que la Expo de guía no le pagará nada:) La mejor manera de molestar es hacerles creer que van a pagar y mantener la pretensión por el tiempo que pueda. Entonces no les pagan.
Si no tiene ganas de hacer eso, entonces te recomiendo que los ignoran.
¡Salud!
Merci pour ce site moi aussi j’ai été piégée par Temdi,j’ai reçu leur pub j’y ai répondu car ils disaient que c’était gratuit;c’était en janvier 2011,et la je reçois 1facture de 1250 euros à payer je leur ai téléphoné en disant que je n’avais rien signé de payant,ils m’ont alors renvoyé le document ou est ecrit en tout petit le prix,l’abonnement de 3ans et l’acceptation d’etre jugée par 1tribunal de leur choix en l’occurence portugais ;je leur ai envoyé 1 recommandé disant que leur contrat n’était pas légal car vice de consentement j’ai prévenu le conseil de l’ordre des médecins,la direction des fraudes et le procureur de la république;en fait je pense qu’il faudrait une loi ou un accord européen pourannuler leur manoeuvre
“Thank you for this site I too was trapped by Temdi I received I answered their ad because they said it was free, was in January 2011, and I get 1facture 1250 euros pay I phoned them and said I had signed anything of paying, they then sent me the document and is written in very small price, subscription 3 years and acceptance to be judged by 1tribunal their choice in this case Portuguese I sent them a recommended saying that their contract was not legal because lack of consent I warned the board of the medical, management fraud and the public prosecutor in fact I think we need a law or agreement to cancel their European operation”
J’ai reçu une facture pour 1250 euros il y a un mois . Aussitot j’ai envoye une lettre recommandee explicant qu’il y avait erreur et je n’ai jamais voulu un abonnement payant a quelque moment que ce soit. j’ai recu l’accusee de reception . aujourd’hui j’ai recu une reclamation de paiement et j’ai decide de faire des recherches st suis tombe sur ce site. c’est une bande d’escrocs et je me demande si on peut demander des dommages et interets. j’ai mieux a faire que d’escrimer avec des escrocs. merci de m’avoir laisse parler et eventuellement avertir d’autres
one month ago i received a bill for 1250 euros for this directory. i answered by registered mail that i had never requested such a payment service. today i got another letter demanding payment. this is a scam company and i wonder if we can take action for compensation for harassment. i have a lot to do and cannot be spending my time with these idiots. thank you for allowing me to voice my anger.perhapsetter will avvoid others this same problem
Eugene, thanks for your comment. Don’t worry – nothing bad will happen. Try to just enjoy life and hang up the phone if/when they call
I received the 4th letter. They are attaching a copy of the page I signed when I checked the references that they had of mine to be included in his Directory. Now in this copy they add a paragraph saying that I agreed to pay their fees. But this paragraph was not at the original page I signed before. SCAM !!! I answered I decide to go to the court. In fact I contacted to the Colegio de Médicos of Valencia and the lawyer told me that they have similar cases.
Good stuff, Jose. Thanks for commenting.
I also have been harassed by this gang. The only thing we need to know is has any body ever received any thing more than a threatening letter. For example a letter from a lawyer threatening court action?(in England lawyers cost money)
Chris
Chris, read this post and all the comments that follow:
http://www.mukaumedia.co.uk/expoguide-scam-decide-yawn/
Same scam, different name but the comments and advice are the same I think. Google is your friend, remember.
I have been victim of this scam for 18 months being conned the same way as everyone else. Had constant letters with a couple months respite last summer. As I am now well into my second year the demand has gone up to well over 2000 euros. I received a letter a couple of months ago from and outfit called UK Legal Services (a Katy Pavlova). Peculiar as address is the same as Temdi! They made me a very good discounted offer of payment; this was ignored as everything else had been. Interestingly I then received calls from said Katy Pavlova. As I choose who I speak to on my telephone when I realised who it was rather than get into a pointless argument I just asked her to hold on. On three occasions she hang on for ten minutes: Hope it cost the grotty scammers a fortune.
The letters from Temdi have now started coming again, roughly every three weeks. They really are the lowest of the low of humanity. Obviously in it for the long term I treat it with amusement now.
I urge anyone who is a victim of this scam to totally ignore all the letters and phone calls. Don’t be frightened of these bullies and don’t feed them by replying to letters or talking to them.
Surely though, is it not about time someone from European Union sued these scum out of existence.
Jay thanks for commenting. ‘Katy Pavlova’ lols. Yet another anonymous individual in the pay of the scammers. I often wonder how these people sleep, knowing what they do.
Agree with you – ignore them. Or practice abuse therapy. Unfortunately I don’t think anyone’s going to sue them out of existence because they’re as hard to eradicate as cockroaches.
My wife was scammed as well. About 2 years ago letters has been coming on a regular basis. The bill is now app. €2.500.
Back in April 2011 I sent letters to: The Portuguise police, the mayor of Lisbon, the EU parliament and the portuguise consumer authorities. All with copies to TEMDI. Then a week ago I get a letter back from them that they still hold us liable.
Well – no money is coming from us!.
My wife is a certified foot reflex-zone therapist, but is not working as a such, since she’s on pre-pension due toe severe back injuries.
Dear All,
Exactly the same thing happened to me as I read in the above comments. I received a letter from TEMDI, asking me my address.
I thought it was a free database of medical doctors, so I filled in the letter and sent it back. I remember very well there was no mentioning of a price or a contract or a term of 3 years.
One month later I have received an invoice of 1300 euros (1050 euros and 23% taxes) that I have to pay.
I did not pay the invoice, so one month later I received a reminder to pay 1300 euros again.
I have called a portuguese phone number and arrived with a person in France. He told me that I have signed a contract for 3 years, and that I cannot cancel the contract. I can not step out of it.
If I want to step out of it, I have to write them a letter which will be presented to a commission who will then decide if I can step out of it. What to do?
Hi Ann
Please don’t doubt yourself: you are RIGHT, it is a scam. These people will try to bully you into paying but they have no power to do anything to you. Since you signed the form, you were guaranteed to get letters from them (it’s just what they do). Your mistake was to call them because that tells them you’re scared. At that point they always intensify the bullying and the threats because they think they’re closer to getting money from you.
I’d recommend that you don’t write to them, call or make any contact. There is no ‘commission’ and no court will hear a case from these people.
You’ll continue to get calls and letters, but nothing else will happen.
Well, got a letter from UN Legal Service (Katy Pavlova).
My wife just wants to pay the 957 EUROs and get out of it, but I’m rather adamant, that we don’t pay and just wait for them to drag us into court. Then they will be forced to produce the original signed contract and not just only a copy.
Let’s see what my wife decides….
Lars
For Gawd’s sake! Don’t let your wife decide! No disrespect, but there’s NOTHING these people can do to you. They won’t EVEN drag you into court because they’re a scam! Take hear from the fact that you won’t find evidence anywhere of anyone being take to court. There’s a simple reason for that….
I am discusted with this company, they are very dark and decitful and try to bully you into paying for a service which brings no custom or revenue to your business,we did not pay them and simply ignored their demands, we have received our second so called invoice for year 2 and we are not going to pay this either, I spoke to them last year and requested them to cancel any contracts we had with them and to remove our details form their so called information page-which I might add the information they published was incorrect. do not pay.
good luck.
Good to hear, Caroline. Don’t pay. The problem is that since you contacted them to request removal, they were bound to step up their bullying. It’s gives them the ‘green light’ to attack.
Well, my wife didn’t have the final word
Since then another letter came from TEMDI. We gave it to the postman and asked him to return to sender: Recipient unknown.
This is in fact true, since it was addressed to the company name my wife thought of registering with the Danish authorities, but never did. So there does not even exist a company with that name – sweet.
rgds
Lars
Grandisimos hijos de P.
ESTAFADORES.
A mi no me llegó que tenia que pagar nada hasta ahora, que no paran de enviar cartas. Menuda ESTAFA. El gobierno deberia de pararle los pies y cortarles las cabezas a esta gentuza.
“Very great sons of P.
Scammers.
I do not got I had to pay anything until now, they do not stop sending letters. What a scam. The government should stop him and cut off the heads of the rabble.”
I agree Alicia! Off with their heads!!
Hi, I am working in a physiotherapy clinic, and we have received three letters from this directory, claiming a total amount of 1081.56 € (including 59.29 € for the two “reminders” and 5.27 € from interests…) We have received the demands from UNITED Directórios Lda., a Lisbon-based company.
It is obviously a scam, because the business director never has signed any contract with this directory, they only sent an e-mail offering a free advertisement in their list. The e-mail never was replied, but for them it is a binding contract.
We are thinking about reporting this to the appropiate authorities. Good luck to all.
Hi Adrián, go ahead report it – the more awareness the better. The biggest weapon you have against these people is to NOT pay.
Despues de mucho tiempo sin recibir nada, he recibido dos cartas seguidas en las que me comunican que les debo 2500€. También me amenazan con acudir a los tribunales. Por supuesto que ni pago ni contesto. Pero creo que ya me estoy cansando y voy a ponerlo en conocimiento de las autoridades. ¿Que piensan?.
Gracias por informarnos sobre algo tan importante.
Trabajo en Toledo, recibí la carta y como tantas otras sobre este tipo de datos de consulta, la rellené. No recuerdo que hubiera letra pequeña. Me pondré en contacto con el Colegio de Médicos para que haga una advertencia general. No pagaré ni contestaré.
“Thank you for reporting something so important.
Jobs in Toledo, received the letter and like many others on this type of query data, filled it. I do not remember any fine print. I will contact the Medical Association to make a general warning. No pay no answer.”
buena suerte, Olga
No le pague a esta gente mala!
I have also signed the form from temidi.com in February 2010:-( I wanted to give them correct information about my company, I did not realize it was a binding contract for 3 years! When I became aware of it, I sent a letter back that they had to cancel the proof they had made on my firm. I was told that it was not possible and I had to pay 957 Euro. They have continued to send me invoices, but I have so far ignored them. The total ammount has now reached 1998 euro …. They also sent me a rekomandert letter that I never picked up. Today I received a mail from UN legal services and a lady named Katy Pavlova. She writes that the UN Legal services have been tasked to resolve the conflict between me and united lda and offers me to pay 957 euros to be finished with the case. What is the UN Legal services? If they are seriouse they ought to know that this is scram? Or is it the same people? I tried to google them, but found nothing …. I was stupid and annoyed and wrote back that I would contact my lawyer.
After reading all these comments I realize I should not communicate with them at all … and that I probably will get more claims after doing this….. Well, I can deal with the letters,It is uncomfortable, but they can not take me to court can they ?
Lissy, no, they can’t take you to court. They’re scammers. Don’t bother telling them they’re scammers – they already know it better than you! Just ignore them. All these ‘misleading contract’ scams depend on bullying and fear to make people pay. They have no legal substance or backing.
Thanks Sam for giving me advice, I’m so glad I found this website. It calms me down to read that I am not alone and that they really are scammers!!!! I must admit I have been in doubt whether I have done wrong and that I should pay to finish this once and for all ….. Fortunately I have a talented husband who constantly tells me NOT TO DO SO !
Questions: What would happen if I ignore them, nothing ?
How long do they (usually) continue to send invoices and e-mail before they give up? And what is UN legal services ?
Thanks again Sam and all of you who have posted comments on this site!
I will warn my Norwegian colleagues through our Association for chiropodists, by publishing the information at our common website.
Lissy
Lissy
I too had an identical experience and today received a second letter demanding €1,300. Unfortunately I called them before finding this site. I simply told her to stop writing to me and hung up when they tried to tell me I had signed a contract. I then called my brother who is a solicitor, for advice and he found the “stop ECG ” site and advised me that it is a scam. I have emailed my professional body to warn my colleagues. I looked up the TEMDI site and discovered that my colleague who did not fill the form is on the database, as is my father, who is a GP. I plan to return all future correspondence.
Dear all,
I have been reading your posts and experiences with TEMDI. I am not a victim of this system, but feel sorry for those who are.
Some questions from my side;
Why don’t we attack TEMDI or similar servers? Get them offline.
Why don’t we subscribe TEMDI and another ‘scam’ companies to each other? Let them send emails, letters and invoices to other malicious systems instead of innocent people
Let’s keep the internet clean and keep the trustful material.
Kind Regards,
Ricardo
Hi Ricardo – you’re like me. I didn’t get scammed by any of these people. I just hate people ripping off other people and feel compelled to do something to stop it if I can. These posts (as you can see) are about 2 things: 1) Putting some reassuring information on Google so that worried people can find it and 2) Building up a bigger and bigger archive of other people’s comments to help newcomers make up their minds what to do.
To Lissy from Norway: they do not give up. My case is now about one and a half year ago. Still getting bills, about every month. Now I have to pay more than 2500 Euro.
Rob
Hi Rob. They might not give up for a long time, but take heart that they don’t have any power to do anything to you
Eventually I corrected the endless forms that I received from Switzerland starting in 2009. As my address was wrong and there was no e-mail on the form, I stroke off my old address and added the new one on the right side of the form as well as my e-mail. What a mistake ! I signed the form but I did not date it, as it was only a correction I made , I thought.
Since then my “debt” is counted to almost 2.500 euros. Last week I got an e-mail on an address that Temdi has not ben given. It was from Katy Pavlova from United LDA, UN legal services, suggesting my three year contract could be cancelled if I paid by 28.10 an on -off payment of EUR 957.
My form had been rubberstamped and dated by the Temdi team, and as such considered to form a three year contract.My signature only also legally binding in a contract. I of course immediately demanded any information about me to be removed from whatever register they have about me. I have never given my consent to be shown on their web-site. I have never got a reply from where they have collected the misleading data about me.
As I googled United LDA I found these sides-thank you. I have been previously to the police. I was told this is a private field case and has to be dealt with as such.
If there is a large criminal investigation done , I think everybody who has been affected by this scam should stand up together. It is uncomfortable to be targeted and to feel you are on your own to deal with this remarkable fraud.
Regards from Anne
Hi Anne
These scams are very hard to fight back against – other than by not paying. That really is the easiest way. Remember, you are not alone, Anne and those people aren’t targeting you personally. You’re just one of hundreds of thousands of potential ‘victims’ of this and other identical ‘misleading contract’ scams. The only thing these people have to use against you is your fear, nothing else.
Don’t make the mistake of communicating with them because that just gives them a means to bully you more. If you ignore them completely, the will eventually stop wasting their resources on you. It may take years but eventually they will stop.
Good to hear. I will do absolutely nothing, just burn the letters as they come.
Anne
Bonjour
Moi aussi je suis tombé dans le panneau!Je me croyais vraiment à l’abri de telle maladresses….
J’en suis donc à ma deuxième lettre de rappel.
Apres avoir lu tous vos mails,je m’aperçois que les autorités ont du mal à sévir et à faire cesser ces arnaques.Pour ma part,je compte transmettre le dossier au conseil de l’ordre des medecins qui m’a déjà précisé qu’il avait bien connaissance de ces pratique aupres des medecins français.
Je ne paierai pas…..c’est sûr!!!
“Hello
I too fell into the trap! I really thought immune to such blunders …. I am in my second reminder.
After reading all your emails, I see that the authorities are struggling to crack down and stop these scams. For my part, I intend to refer the matter to the board of the order of the doctors that I already stated that he had knowledge of these practices among French physicians.
I will not pay ….. for sure!”
Pierre
Merci pour votre commentaire.
Merci à Google pour sa capacité à montrer la vérité sur ces escroqueries
Hello,
The same history happened to me in 2009.
J corrected a form of temdy because all the info was wrong.
J am sure they do that on purpose to receive an letter of us with our signature. Then they misused it for money.
J sent them initially a letter of complain and took contact with a lawyer in France (as j am a French surgeon ). The lawyer toldme never to contact them back, to ignore them and of course never to pay them.
Sinds them j received 4 letters to pay more than 2000 euros and yesterday a “recommandé avec accusé de réception”.
Mu secretary signed it by mistake but j didn’t open it and giveit back to the postoffice.
Has anybody been contacted by a advocate of temdy or been contacted by “aun huissier de justice” to be condamned by tyhe chamber of commerce of Portugal ?
Cheers
TEMDI contacted me, and I fllied the form (M.D), but INCLUDED a letter saying I DID NOT WANT NEITHER TO PAY NOR TO RECEIVE ANY SERVICE FROM THEM UNTIL THEY CLARIFY ME what were the benefits of doing so. I specified I did not want any service CLEARLY.
I told them If they send me more information regarding people in my situation I would consider to confirm my pre-application.
Nothing happened, so I told them by letter I wanted to quit.
Three months later (July 2011), they sent me a letter saying I was already included in their database and I had to pay for that. I answered them I did asked only for them so STUDY my situation. They them showed me the letter with my data, but DID NEITHER SHOWED NOR MENTIONED the additional letter I also sent with the “order form” saying I wanted to STUDY my situation before giving me any service I had to pay for.
Now I am still receiving a letter each two weeks asking for the payment, saying I cannot cancel it, not mentioning my previous letters. And asking each time for more money for “administrative” expenses.
If anyone is thinking in taking them to court, I will join the group.
Hi Antonio – keep in mind this scam is just like all the other ‘misleading contract’ scams. The only difference is these people have targeted medical professionals such as yourself. Other than that, the game is essentially the same.
Yes, but they take your time, your money and your health. Although they are not going to get any money for me, what is the value of the time and the health each time I have to think in them (what means each two weeks)?. In this world, even if we do not loose, we have to start again to make people free from that, to start “doing the correct because it is correct”. I offer my help.
Last year I completed some details and returned the form to TEMDI…
How stupid! Now they keep sending us reminders.
Glad to read on this side we’re not the only one.
The best thing I read: Never reply and just wait until they give up.
And every next letter from Wien (strange, that’s in Portugal…) straight to the bin!
Thank you Sam Deeks for this wonderful website, your clear analysis and good advice. Do not pay, never react.
I’m still convinced that it doesn’t concern an advertisement. Only putting my name and address on a list, as it stands on so many, IS NOT AN ADVERTISEMENT. So my opinion is that I only declared that my data were correct by putting my signature, but I did not order an advertisement, because there is no promotion at all.
I think it is very important that we draw one line here. So thank you again for giving us this opportunity.
Giel, thanks for commenting – you’re welcome. A pleasure to provide information
Hi everybody!
They have also been cheating here, the Czech Republic, and it was enormous help to find this website. Thank you Sam Deeks.
I have helped my father with the translation of the original form that says it is just a confirmation of particular details ad contains NO price whatsover. The form that came a couple of days ago together with the invoice included a strange paragrapg about legal stuff and the price (over 1000 euros). It went straight into the bin and so will the future ones.
Thanks again.
Hi Tereza – you are most welcome. I do what I can to help relieve the stress and worry that these unfair practices deliberately cause people. It’s just not fair.
The EU Business Service Ltd., sent to me unsolicited email with an attachment of ‘Updating is free’. As such, I have filled and sent the information. Now from ‘Waldberg & Hirsch Golobal collection’ sent legal notice to us. I am very sad on their actions.
Do you have any information, is any Government of any nation has banned this company for their unethical and fradulant business
Hi Lalit.
One or two European nations have taken action against the originators of these ‘misleading contract’ scams (particularly concerning scams like ‘European City Guide’ and – I think – International Directories Group) but the answer is really ‘no’; nothing much has been done.
(If you want to see just how painfully slow and relatively ineffectual these attempts have been, look at Jules Woodell’s http://www.stopecg.org site – it gives a long history of the fight against Novachannel the originator of many of these scams).
These people slip between the cracks of the legal system – and it’s always the individual versus some scammers with a few million scammed Euros behind them.. Which victim can be bothered to spend the money needed to track these people down and bring a case against them? And where?
To take these people on legally, you’d need a Government with trade and industry departments which at LEAST were fully informed of the scam. Take the UK for example. If you go to the government’s primary ‘anti-fraud’ agencies and search for things like ‘TEMDI’ and ‘Expo Guide’, do you find any information? Any awareness that they exist? Or the scale of the problem?
The answer is ‘no’. And while the answer is ‘no’, then it’s down to us to use this technology to support people to hit the scammers where it hurts – by giving people the confidence to refuse to pay.
Tout d abord merci à ce site d’exister. Je suis une “ancienne victime” de TEMDI voila deux ans.Malgré toutes les lettres de relance qu ils m ont faites au moins 9 je n ai jamais payé un seul cent(certaine venaient du portigal,d’autriche,et meme d ukraine…) certaines intimidantes en couleur et en gras. Il ne sert à rien de s’en faire c est une arnaque pure et dure. ne pas perdre son temps .jetez ces lettres . bien à vous .
“First of all, thank you to this site to exist. I am a “former victim” of TEMDI two years ago. Despite all the dunning letters that they have made at least m 9 I have never paid a single cent (some were from portigal, Austria, Ukraine and even …) some intimidating color and bold. It does no good to worry about is a scam pure and simple. do not waste time. throw these letters. good to you.”
Mani – you’re welcome
Good on you for not paying.
Hola a todos, ya veo que no soy la única en esto. Me ha llegado una factura por 1057euros. Escribí de inmediato a la policía de Portugal, a ver si de alguna manera se frena a esta gente. Y por supuesto no pienso pagar, ademas la carta que me llego junto con la factura, no tiene nada que ver con la primera que me enviaron. Han falsificado todo.
Vamos a poner un stop a esta gentuza.
Miky.
“Hi all, I see that I am not alone in this. I have received a bill for 1057euros. I wrote immediately to the police in Portugal, to see if somehow stops these people. And of course I will not pay, plus the letter that came along with me the bill has nothing to do with the first one they sent me. Have falsified it.
Let’s put a stop to this rabble.”
Hola Miky
Me alegro de que encontré este sitio. No creo que la policía puede hacer nada pero se puede. Simplemente no pagan!
Comments in swedish.
Jag blev kontaktad av Temdi brevledes i november 2010, med vissa uppgifter de hade om mig och mitt bolag. Felaktigt angavs att jag var tandläkare vilket jag ändrade till kirurg och återsände formuläret. Dessvärre leste jag inte genom det finstilta och uppmärksammade inte att det rörde sig om en beställning. När jag sedan fick en faktura om1017 euro, i december vägtade jag att betala, men temdi hävdade att jag hade beställd en tjänst av dem under tre år à 1017 euro. Texstmässigt var detta korrekt och jag lurades betala 1017 euro, men avsade mig ytteligare tjänster från temdei. Nu (december 2011) kommer en ny faktura. Tjänsten temdi säljer är fullstendigt värdelös för mig och jag känner mig hotad av temdi. Vad hade hänt om det varit frågan om t.ex. tio års kontrakt??
“I was contacted by Temdi by mail in November 2010, with certain information they had about me and my company. Incorrectly stated that I was a dentist, which I changed to the surgeon and returned the form. Unfortunately I do not Leste through the fine print and noted that there was an order. When I got an invoice om1017 euros in December weighed me to pay, but temdi claimed that I had ordered a service from them for three years à 1017 €. Texstmässigt this was correct and I was lured to pay 1017 euros, but resigned myself FURTHER services from temdei. Now (December 2011), a new invoice. Service temdi sell is fully stone the same time useless for me and I feel threatened by temdi. What would have happened if it had been the issue of such ten-year contract?”
Hej Arild
Var inte hotas. Bara ignorera dessa scammers, de har ingen makt. De kan inte göra något för dig – förutom om du är rädd för dem.
Lycka.
Thank you for this website. We have same problem, but fortunately we came across this site on time. Thanks again to all:-)
Hi Sam,
I posted on your page 2 years ago, (yes you did guess my profession correctly!). Needless to say the moo-cows , or should it be leeches, aren’t letting go. I’m considering sending the enclosed, what do you think?
Andy
13 Jan 2012
Dear Ms Pavlova
I acknowledge receipt of your letter of 10 Jan 2012 and note the comments contained within. I would comment as follows:
1) Your “order form” is misleading, it has misled many other people as well as me. As such it would be legally unenforceable.
2) On several occasions I have attempted to view my “entry” on Temdi’s website and on no occasion has it been present. Therefore, I consider you to be in breach of your own terms and conditions
3) If you see the enclosed printed off from the internet (6 out of 45 pages) you will see your company is viewed as fraudulent and your pathetic attempt to frighten unsuspecting individuals into paying unrealistic amounts of money is a scam.
4) It is illogical to pay over €900 to advertise in some medium based in Lisbon that I have never heard of when I wouldn’t spend half that amount to advertise in a UK based medium of greater repute than yours.
5) If I or any client needed to search for anything, the preferred method would be Google.
6) I have also looked up “UN Legal services”, and I believe you to be no more than a couple of desks in a lock-up with a couple of phones and a PC. As such I do not take you seriously.
Finally, I repeat again, I will not pay you a cent and suggest you stop harassing me. If you are not prepared to do so, I suggest you sue me.
Yours sincerely,
Andrew S Moszczynski
What do I think??
I think you shouldn’t send this letter for the reasons I’ve stated many, many times before. You might not be able to see this, but your ‘argument’ proves to them that you actually don’t believe they’re crooks – in which case, they know a) they’ve got to you and b) a part of you (however small) thinks they can do something to you.
I’ve also said many times that I completely understand you wanting to write and tell them why you think they’re crooked – but I (and they) know that actually, you’re trying to convince yourself, not them – and that’s the signal they like most of all.
What doesn’t change is this: once your details are in their system, they’ll probably never stop occasionally trying to hook you… year in, year out. Why? Because it only costs them a stamp or phone call every couple of years. From their perspective, maybe you’ve changed jobs; maybe they’ll hook into someone more easily bullied. It’s worth it. You have to expect it, unfortunately. But I promise that if you reply to them (even with your letter above) you’ll qualify for MORE than just the occasional letter. It’s just basic psychology and commonsense, Andy.
Hi Sam,
Thank you for your advice, which I will take notice of and not send the letter. I’ll keep you posted of any developments.
Andy
Good for you Andy.
Check out this comment from someone who sent letters.
http://www.mukaumedia.co.uk/international-credit-assessment-agency-icaa-cyprus/#comment-8899
You’ll see that it had no positive effect.
Hi, a dear colleague of mine has also been harassed by UN Legal Services. I suggested to ask her lawyer to check whether this is even a real company and where they have been registered. I believe before paying anything one should demand such documents presented, as we have no means of knowing what affiliation they truly have to this United Directorios company. Perhaps just like the forms, UN Legal Services might also be a total scam. If they scam with contracts, what else are they scamming? It’s basic human psychology. I suggest somebody checked this out!
All the so-called ‘debt collectors’ are just the scammers calling from another phone and putting on silly, agressive voices.
I work in a practice and we filled out what we thought was a simple request for details form from the Eurpoean Medical Directory. We then started to receive invoices, reminders etc. We called Temdi who told us we were legally bound by the “contract” and decided to pay what we thought was a one off payment to get them off our backs and terminate any supposed “contract”. Stupid i know.
We have since received another invoice for the second year of our three year “contract”. We have since taken advice from our professional body who helped us draft a letter to Temdi to say that we will not be making anymore payments for an advert that was sought through misleading and unfair practices. We also stated that we would be reporting them to The Office of Fair Trading, Trading Standards Services, The UK and European Consumer Service and http://www.stopecg.org.
After reading the comments above i now await the calls/letters from the debt collectors but we are determined not to engage in any further correspondence with them.
Hi, my mum’s boss (GP) has recently become a victim of TEMDI…but to be honest I think it is my fault, because nobody in my family speaks English so I was asked to translate the document and fill it in. So I did and few days ago the well-known invoice came (1057 Euro). I am not quite sure but I think the original document looked different (of course, I didn’t make any copy so I can’t prove it now) – I think there was nothing about money or 36 months, but I am not sure…but I am sure I read it through then, so now I feel I am the one who is responsible for all this.
Of course, I am trying to convince him not to pay anything, but who could endure such pressure? I am (he is) afraid of being threatened. I’ve read many comments and people ask and ask again what happens if they do not pay – mostly the response is “nothing” or silence…so what will happen if we endure the threatening?
Andrea, he WILL be threatened, expect it. That’s what these scammers do for their money. And it’s not your FAULT, it’s the fault of the scammers who set out deliberately to create this unhappiness in your family.
Read all the comments on this post, others sites but also on my posts about similar scams (they all work the same way and have the same people behind them):
http://www.mukaumedia.co.uk/expoguide-scam-decide-yawn/
Read carefully and go convince your mum’s boss that you are not alone in being scammed by TEMDI or many, many other identical scams. Remember – nobody ever got taken to any court by these people.
bonjour à tous, je fais partie du club moi aussi, mon avocat vient de recevoir un double du “contrat” et m’annonce que apparement j’aurais signé sans lire les conditions……
donc il y a falsification sinon on se ferait pas tous avoir.
la question que je me pose, c’est comment ils continuent alors que cela fait plusieurs annees que ça dure ???
ce genre d’escroquerie à la pied nickelé, normalement les autorités portugaises auraient deja dues y mettre fin?
quelqu’un a une idée à ce sujet ? et pour les plus anciens du site, rien de nouveau?
**** badly translated by Google as:
Hello everyone, I am part of the club too, my lawyer has just received a copy of the “contract” and told me that apparently I would have signed without reading the terms ……
So there is tampering or we would not all have.
The question I ask myself is how they continue as it has been many years it lasts??
this scam to nickel foot, normally the Portuguese authorities have already caused it to end?
Anybody have any idea about this? and for the oldest site, anything new?
Hi Pierre – I don’t have any recent news on TEMDI. The verdict still stands: it’s a scam, ignore it and nothing bad will happen.
I have a problem with Temdi from January,26,2012,and now after studying your website my mind seems to be
more quiet.I am not alone with this and the best sentence is-The only thing these people have to use against you
is your fear,nothing else.
Thank you
Hello you all. I´ve recently received my second letter, stating that my failure to pay is probably an error, and kindly requesting me again to pay.
Of course I will not.
I will not answer as well. I´ll let you know if something happens.
Thanks for all the support!
Hi Luis – no problem!
Hi,
After reading some of your comments, I am relieved. I also received the same letter asking for EUR 1057 +VAT, EUR 1300 total from TEMDI. I sent them a fax saying I was mislead and I will not pay. I checked the envelop which was posted in Austria, but the company is in Portugal! It is an incredible hoax. I wish I have looked at this blog earlier. One thing I learned is to be much more careful with these letters in the future, they will end up in the bin very quickly.
Thank you,
Istvan
Glad to hear, Istvan. Take care and help spread the word wherever you can to raise awareness.
Hello,
a month ago I have received a letter from Temdi that I should pay 1300 Euro for some directory. I send them an email that this should be a mistake. After that I heve received almost the same latter which inform me that I should pay!!!! Today I almost pay that money but something tell me that I should look for opinion of Temdi and I found this website. Please give me an advise what should I do I am desperated. Shall I give it do D.A.S. internationale. thank you very much.
We have a very small ambulance in czech republic and this is huge money for us.
Thank you.
Jan, it’s a scam.
My advice would be not to pay these people. Please continue to Google TEMDI and read carefully the stories of other people who are victims. Most importantly you will notice that there is no credible evidence of anyone being taken to court for non-payment.
Here is another scam that follows exactly the same format. Please read all the comments – you will also notice that no-one has ever gone to court for the simple reason that these people are scamming others and have no legal case.
http://www.mukaumedia.co.uk/expoguide-scam-decide-yawn/
** Make sure to read all the comments (scroll down to see them)
I too was fooled by this cunning scam
But they can can take a running jump
Thieves like that should be jailed
I will be advising the bma and uk trading standards
Great website here
For people power…yes
Thank you
Hi Simon – thanks for your comment. In service of other victims who come after you, please do come back and update us with anything arising from reporting the scam to BMA and UK Trading Standards. Thanks!
Thanks for collating all these comments. I too corrected a ‘free’ web entry only to receive an altered form and a demand for 1300Euro.
Really helpful to be able to read about others experiences. I will also send this to UK trading standards.
Glad to hear it helped, Pete. Let us know if Trading Standards has anything to say… although I doubt it will as these scams originate overseas.
Hola a todos: Veo que siguen molestando a mucha gente, a mi también. Y ya me estoy cansando de aguantarles sus cartas. Ya ni las abro, no se lo que dicen. Pero ya estoy llegando al máximo de lo que puedo aguantar a este timador. Propongo hacer una denuncia conjunta contra este elemento. ¿Que les parece?. Gracias.
Hello to all: I see that they continue bothering many people, to my also. And already I am getting tired of bearing his letters. Already I do not even open them, not what they say. But already I am coming to the maximum from what I can bear this swindler. I propose to do a joint denunciation against this element. ¿ That seems to them?. Thank you.
In my experience, BMA has been quite helpful in practical sense guiding the affected how to respond. Medical protection organisation not very useful. Trading standards pointed their finger towards Action Fraud reporting. By reporting to police you have proof of having responded to this and this will be an useful reference in future. Stopecg’s advice is very useful to send complaints to various organisations in Portugal
Thanks for that comment, RSJ. I do think it’s a good idea to report this scam to the BMA and other bodies – purely so that they are able to raise awareness to stop others falling into the trap. Without disrespecting anything Jules Woodell has done at stopecg.org (it’s a great site for finding out about the history and scale of these scams) I do caution engaging in ANY communication with the scammers. The most powerful weapon you have against them (actually, the ONLY weapon you have) is to withhold payment and ignore them. I honestly believe that the only reason you would write to these scammers is if you don’t quite believe 100% that they have no power. If you did, you wouldn’t waste your breath or ink. This ‘chink’ in your certainty is what the scammers work on so I don’t recommend that you give them access to it
Put it another way, wasting your time writing letters (and giving them that little ‘chink’ to work on) doesn’t achieve any MORE than not paying them. Not paying them is the ultimate weapon for the simple reason that they have NOTHING they can do after that point – other than continue to threaten you and, if you hadn’t noticed, continue to NOT take you to any court on any of the days promised etc etc.
I don’t mean to sound unsympathetic in any way but I have watched these scams for several years know and I do understand the underlying psychology that they’re exploiting – and deliberately so. Part of the reason that they’re so successful is that most people default to treating other people with respect and deference – even when they’re being abused by those people. It’s hard for regular folks to NOT want to send reasonable, pleading letters to explain to these scammers that what they’re doing isn’t right… but think about it for a moment. These scammers KNOW better than you that what they’re doing isn’t right – since they designed their scam deliberately that way.
Hit them where it hurts; don’t pay, don’t communicate – apart from to tell them to ‘F— themselves’ over the phone if you like, just once
I too have joined the club. I too have no intention of paying. Finding myself in this situation for the first time, and initially feeling rather stupid for failing to read the form properly, it is enormously reassuring to recognise this fraud for what it is. Funnily enough yours was the very first web site I encountered when I decided to check out the credibility of the TEMDI! This website is performing a valuable service and I am grateful to you.
Hi Mark thanks for your comment.
“Funnily enough yours was the very first website I encountered…” which is exactly what I intended. These scammers are greedier than they are smart – they didn’t figure that someone like me would do this. I don’t think they can get their heads round the idea that someone would help others in trouble.
I too have been stupid to fall for this one. Did not read the small print. v misleading. My profile is on their website but i have no intention to pay. I did write and email them asking them to cancel and they have just sent a reminder. Looking at most of the responses above most people seem to advise just ignoring them. Clearly many people have written letters saying happy to go to court etc and no action has ever been taken. Equally this response does not seem to stop them continuing with this scam.
I can’t believe i fell for this.
Hi Simon. That’s true – writing to them doesn’t usually stop them. Ignoring them probably stops them quicker (but you can expect some ongoing harassment to try to hook you back into range of their bullying). Don’t beat yourself up either – these scams were cynically and deliberately designed to trick you. That’s their fault, not yours.
Thanks Sam. Great advice on this site and very reassuring as i was getting a little concerned.
TEMDI based in Portugal are a scam . I intend to find the name of the owner in Lisbon and hassle him big style
You’re welcome.
Most – if not all – of these scams track back to the same person. Let me know when you think you’ve got a name and we’ll compare
I too have been fooled by this scam – or have I? The form suggests that those contacted have already been listed. I completed it and returned it with an update on my info.When I then received the invoice the small print about the contract was there on the copy of the form they enclosed – but I don’t recall seeing the small print on the original. Of course I don’t have a copy myself but wonder whether the copy I was sent actually had this, or whether it was added later. It’s the sort of thing I cannot believe I missed. Therefore it wasn’t there… also the invoice was headed “Copy of your legally binding contract…”. No genuine invoice would, I submit, place this header – at least so I think in retrospect.
Like many others I wrote (by email) indicating that I would not pay and would be consulting my lawyers if they did not immediately remove my details. I subsequently received both a duplicate invoice, and a threatening letter with a further copy of the invoice.
it appears that the UK defence societies are aware that this is a scam. The European Parliament has also had it drawn to its attention (see http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do;jsessionid=9779B383EAD8DEAB39E3C2A74CFE7C28.node1?secondRef=0&language=EN&type=WQ&reference=E-2012-003638). A number of other websites carry details.
The underlying message is – this is a scam; do not pay; do not write to them; nothing will happen. It is however something that needs wider advertising so other doctors are forewarned.
I was also fooled by Temdi. There was no way I could understand it involves money. I just signed and posted in the adressed envelope thinking that they want to add my name in their directory for the benefit of those who want to look up.
Since they sent the invoice I sent a message to them that I must be removed and now they have sent a letter to pay less than half the money which is 500 Euros as one of fee.
I will not pay a penny and will fight tooth to nail if it comes to it.
Dr Gowda
Consultant Dermatolgist
Scunthorpe
UK
Good for you Prakash. The real secret here is NOT to communicate with them at all, trust me
Agreed Andrew – thanks for your post. I can tell by the number of comments increasing over the last few days that TEMDI are obvious having a push to try to bully more people. Glad you found this information and thanks for sharing YOUR story because it’s invaluable in reassuring others and saving them from paying.
Second letter to me (from Austria) denying that this is a scam and asking me to pay within a few days. Like Andrew above I am convinced that the original entry letter did not have the small print at the bottom. I am just going to fil away and ignore.
How delightfully desperate: “This isn’t a scam, honest…” Lol.
I have just joined this club! These guys sent me a large invoice too and I emailed them to say the ‘contract’ was obtained deceptively and the fees quoted are disproportionate to what they are offering. They replied mainitaining their original position. These are indeed a bunch of crooks who need to be taken down. Or perhaps the ‘European Law’ does not allow that?
I would just ignore their letters and see them in court (in the UK)!
It seems that I am not alone, I felt really stupid not to have read the small print and have been very concerned for the last 2 months after I first received the invoice. I don’t think (can’t be certain) I saw the small print on the origenal form asking to update the details. I wrote them back asking them to remove my name from the so called directory, in response I got a thretening letter and a reminder asking for EUR 1,300.11. I was due to consult a lawyer but after reading all the above very helpful comments I will not pay a single penny. This was the first website I came across when I googled TEMDI. Thanks for setting it up Sam.
Glad we could help KRM
Don’t need to waste any time or money on lawyers; just don’t pay the scammers.
Exactly the same. filled in the form at end of long day assuming it was free listing like the medical directory in uk. astonished and upset when bill arrived. Little scared when legal proceeding threatened. Saw this site and will now bin letters. Very grateful for your help and advice.
On February 2nd 2012, I was deliberately deceived by a ” legal person”? of unknown further particulars , self named the Medical Directory of the European Union. This deceitful name, plus the fact that there was no mention of money or fee gave me the impression that this was a free registration aimed at providing a comprehensive List of Medical Professionals throughout the Union.
Believing that this was a service of the EU, I contacted them and accepted by post a “form” where I registered my professional status plus the explicit indication that my language of Communication was only Greek.
On April 9th 2012 to my utter astonishment, I received by post, an Invoice ordering me to pay the total sum of 1.300,11 Euros for that registration.
On the very next day April 10th 2012 I sent them an e-mail message (info@temdi.com) cancelling this “form”. A few days later I received by post a letter in which my form had unilaterally been characterized as “order” by said “legal person”?, and was ordered to pay them said amount of money. Further careful study of said form, proved that the allegations contained in this letter were totally hidden among the lines of a text at its very bottom.
Since this deliberately deceptive whole approach is conducted through your country [an address (Av. Joao Crisostomo 38c, and a P.O. Box 1571) appear at the head and bottom of their letter] in the post corresponden¬ce, plus that fact that after this incident and a research that my family conducted through the Internet discovered many other similar incidents concerning the same entity.
Vasiliki Koutsospyrou
Physiotherapist & Orthomolecular Nutrition Specialist
Athens, Greece
I signed the form some time ago and have received a large bill plus reminders.
I thought it was a free website and I was obviously mislead. The ‘contract’ is worthless.
I have no intention of paying but how do you get rid of them.
The most recent letters come from Austria.
How can we stop this as it is clearly a scam?
Have they ever taken any doctors to court despite their threats.
Thanks for your reassurance
John Collins
Another one from Austria…… asking for payment in a few days. Of course will ignore! Interestingly cannow find my name on their web site; they have clearly found my private practice details from the internet and added this on- depsite the fact that these were never no their original mailing and nor did I add them!
Bonsoir Monsieur,
Je faits parti des nombreuses victimes du site d’ Annuaire professionnel Temdi, ayant signé la confirmation de la rectification de mes coordonnées, croyant que mon inscription, sans contrat antérieur,était gratuite par leur services!!
Aussi recevant ma première facture non désirée, j’ai envoyé par courriel à leur site: l’annulation de l’inscription de mes coordonnées à leur annuaire, expliquant que le formulaire envoyé m’a induit en erreur en me laissant penser qu’il s’agissait d’une vérification de mes coordonnées, gratuitement, sans engagement de ma part, sans offre de contrat!
Je n’aurai jamais donné un accord pour une inscription payante de 1300ETTC, ainsi qu’une lettre recommandée avec accusé de réception. Aussi pouvez vous me rassurer que si je ne réponds pas à leur relances, je risque quelque chose au niveau pénal, face à cette arnaque! Merci de votre réponse et vos bons conseils!! Veillez, Monsieur , recevoir l’expression de mes meilleurs sentiments! Jean Marc Royo
Verguenza de web TEMDI.COM y SINVERGUENZAS DE CHORIZOS, ya no saben que hacer para ROBARTE, la letra pequeñísma es la que hayque leer me han sacado 1,385,91 euros,
Further letter askung fo rpayment to avoid legal porceedings. Dunning fees and interest being added every 4 weeks., No intention of paying.
Regards
I have second reminder with interest added. they also offered to close my account for 500 Euro. i have written to different officials. i would like to share the response I received from the Consumer Director Deneral Portugal. Here it goes:
Número de Saída : 6732/2012
Número de Expedição : 5816/2012
Número de Entrada : 12060/2012
Classificação atribuída : A
Ficheiros anexados : 0
The Consumer Directorate-General of Portugal has been receiving several requests and complaints from professionals based in other EU countries regarding the ¿European Medical Directory”, which lists and publicizes professionals offering medical services.
Even though these practices seem deceitful and may be fraudulent, they are not consumer disputes as they involve two categories of professionals.
In such cases the Consumer Directorate-General is not the competent authority to deal with the matter.
Therefore, a criminal complaint has been lodged near the Prosecutor General¿ Office of Portugal, more precisely near the Lisbon Deputy Prosecutor General¿s Office.
Further information on this issue will be provided to the EU national consumer protection authorities, that we, therefore, suggest you contact directly in the future.
Kind regards.
Teresa Moreira
Consumer Director-General – PORTUGAL
Direcção Geral do Consumidor
Morada: Praça Duque de Saldanha, 31 – 1º, 2º, 3º e 5º – 1069-013 Lisboa
Portal: http://www.consumidor.pt
Tel: 21 356 46 00
Fax: 21 356 47 19
e-mail: dgc@dg.consumidor.pt
HI Ramasamy
I know it’s hard for you to understand, but you don’t need to go to all that effort. They are scammers and can do nothing to you. They can’t take you to any court anywhere. They make money from your fear that they can. There is no substance to their bullying. Just don’t pay them and watch what they do. Apart from more calls and letters, NOTHING.
thanks very much Sam for your reassuring words. as you say these criminals thrive on people’s fear.
i am just going to ignore them as you say. Regards
I am most grateful to everybody for sharing their “TEMDI” experience. It is very reassuring to learn that I am not the only fool that has fallen for this scam and to receive the clear message from Sam that the best response to these bast***s is to do nothing.
I originally returned to TEMDI their clearly misleading form offering a “free update” in July 2010. Since then, I have been bombarded with reminders, invoices and threatening “without prejudice” letters from UN Legal Services signed by Katy Pavlova. The last invoice is asking me to pay a total of €3722.12 including VAT, dunning fees and interests.
Following guidance received from the BMA, I wrote to TEMDI in November 2011 and August 2012 explaining that their free update offer was totally misleading and therefore any signed agreement has no legal standing. I also requested the removal of my details from the European Medical Directory and for any contract to be terminated with immediate effect. Needless to say that they have completely ignored me and I have just received another reminder for payment and a threatening letter from Ms Pavlova.
Having read all the statements and comments in this very helpful blog it is clear that from now on, I am going to ignore any further correspondence from TEMDI / UN Legal Services and will certainly not respond ever again to any of their bullying letters.
Thank you very much to everybody!!!
Hi Manuel, ignoring them is the best way. Keep in touch and let us know how you get on. BTW, expect them to keep calling / emailing every now and again – they will be trying to get you to engage with them so that they can bully you some more. Don’t give them the chance!
Hi Sam, thank you very much for all your efforts and support. I am sure that without your blogs, many more people would have lost a lot of money through this sickening and fraudulent paractice.
Keep it up!!! I will stay in touch with any further developments. Manuel
Manuel Oyarzabal: tranquilo que yo tambien he recibido la carta de 3722€. Cuanto siento la respuesta que desde Portugal te han mandado. Espero que cambien. Y he mandado a la embajada de Portugal en Madrid una larga carta en la que pongo este foro como ejemplo de chantaje y extorsión.
Bad Google translate =
“Manuel Oyarzabal: quiet that I have also received the letter of 3722 €. The feel the response that I have commanded Portugal. I hope they change. And I sent the Portuguese Embassy in Madrid a long letter in which I place this forum as an example of blackmail and extortion.”
Since May-June 2011 when I contacted to this forum i did not pay any euro to TEMDI. I wrote them looking for my exclussion from their Directory based on their fraudulent procedures. They answered threatening me to go to the Court. I did not answer them any more. The last bill they sent me is about 3.700 € !!!!! NO ANSWER AND IGNORE THEM.
This is DIRTY SCAM. It is made the same way the “Nigerian Letters” are made. The idea is the same. They offer you “a free (but limited) service”, then they charge you for their “services”.
A total bull*it. WHO they are? NOBODY.
They have an amateurish website, with some information stolen from other websites, and even the letter they sent is an amateurish, poorly written letter.
Clearly these crooks does not have anything in common with any medical practice. Just “read” their “language”. Does it sound Medical?
The letter what I got is written by a low IQ Nigerian guy. It seems to me they’re established their “headquarter” in Portugal and they try to make some money.
Somebody has to alert the Police.
Hola;
Qué alegria encontrar esta página. Pues lo mismo me ha pasado en mi en Suecia. No obstante que yo llame, y mande una carta diciendo que no estaba interesado. Han seguido enviandome cartas, y con intereses y todo. ES UN ROBO. No pienso pagar. Yo si decia que esto era muy raro, pero al leer comentarios de otros me doy cuenta que es un negocio vulgar. Voy a contactar la asociacion médica sueca para que me asesoren, pues no pienso pagar. Pero reconozco que me estresa estra situacion
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“Hello;
What a joy to find this page. Same thing happened to me in my in Sweden. But I call and send a letter saying he was not interested. Have continued sending me letters, with interest and all. Is theft. I will not pay. If I said this was very rare, but reading other comments I realize that is a vulgar business. I will contact the Swedish Medical Association to advise me, because I will not pay. Granted it stresses me strategic situation”
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I recognize all the other ones describe. I am in Sweden.
Jag känner igen vad dom andra berätar om TEMDI,
The same in Slovenia: after missleading form come the bill. I`m very happy I found this helpful site to be sure that the right way to react is no reaction. Frankly, my husband sent them a letter – rejection of the invoice – and today I received the answer: I can pay only one third, i.e.1057eur+VAT, he, he, they can bl.. me.
That is the best way to treat these scams. continue to ignore them and they are not worth writing to. Regards
I`m one of the victims of temdi scammers from Finland. I`ve been receiving their letters with all the time increasing costs that I should pay for almost two years now. In the beginning I claimed them to take all the information of me off of their so called directory, but as you can guess they refused to do it and continued to send me those letters. I just would like to know, how long they are going to continue. Can someone tell me? Do they ever stop? Thank you so much for this site!
I’m a professional in Greece and I’ve been getting these kind of mails (Medical Directory) for years now. At first no payment was mentioned, but now they say in small print that they charge 1057+euros (!!!) if I send them the filled in form. The latest envelope was sent from Austria this month, no sender’s name, no signature, it screams scam like it always has. I’ve always thrown them in the rubbish bin.
I cannot understand why no legal action has been taken against them. The police in Portugal should stop this, they mislead, harass and bully people, not to mention get paid by those who fall victims.
They only stop when they decide they’re wasting postage and/or phone calls on you. The quickest way to make that happen is to NOT enter into communication OF ANY KIND with them. Hope that advice helps!
I am another victim from England.
Thank you Sam for your advise, but unfortunately I e mailed them to say cancel this clearly fraudulent e mail.
I also said I will refer this matter to my solicitor.
Thank you for your comment. I made a mistake when I first answered them and refused to pay (I haven`t paid anything and I definitely won`t pay, that`s for sure). After that I found this site, which was a relief. Anyway those letters with threats of legal actions are stressing although you know they haven`t any possibilities to sue you.
Well, Raouf – emailing them *will* guarantee you some more attention, you can be sure of that. They know you’re a) alive b) at the location they expect and c) a bit scared – that’s enough to commit further resources to bullying you, unfortunately.
They know you’re scared because anyone who takes them seriously enough to threaten to refer them to their solicitors is…well, scared. Sorry to be blunt. If you were like me – i.e. know they’re complete crooks – then you wouldn’t fear they could take you to court anywhere. And, more importantly, you wouldn’t waste your time responding. Don’t feel bad or stupid about it. This scam was designed deliberately to ‘select’ victims in this way.
Just don’t engage with them from this moment onwards and DON’T waste money on solicitors!
Rita-Ann, you’re welcome. But it’s important that you change your message to yourself about this. So long as you find those letters with ‘threats of legal action’ stressing, they’ll sense it and continue to bully you. You need to work on convincing yourself they’re powerless over you and then to let it go; just ignore them from now on and accept there’s nothing you can do to stop them trying other than maintain a strict silence. That’s the only message they respond to.
Rita-Ann & Douf
i am also one like you two. i am following exactly what Sam has recommended. any response we make to them is seen as our weakness. i have reported to the police, BMA, etc. BMA is well aware of their activities and advised to ignore them. if you consult any solicitor about this they will recommend some legal step which would be expensive to you and may not change anything. silence and ignoring them are the only way. BEst wishes
“May not…” = “will not” – I promise you. These scammers don’t listen to solicitors or legal threats. Think about it….
Hello everybody, I am so glad i run into this site… it is very relieving to learn that I am not the only one that has fallen for this…they are spreading all over the globe, in Romania, too…Following the advice of an auttorney, I did sent them a letter denying my approval for being listed on their site and I expressed my strong request of removing all data related to my private practice from the site. It is incredible how they managed to still private information, created fake signature, as I have never send them anything….but they sent invoice of 1000e…
Having read all the statements and comments in this blog it really helped me undersatand how fraudulent their approach was, and i will no longer respond and i will ignore any further correspondence from TEMDI…
good luck!
Hi! I received their letter (with a lot of my data already filled in, presumably from open online resources), and I take it as a data collecting form for some humanitarian purposes (i.e., for an international free medical database). Unfortunately I did not keep a copy of the original form I completed, but I believe than their was NO such a paragraph with information about prices or payment. When I received the invoice, again unfortunately, I called them, and on their reccomandation, I immediately wrote an email. Since then, one more letter arrived…
After some research on the web, I find this website, and one more, what suggests to inform the portugal police, the consumer protection office of Portugal, my EU parlament representative, and the Mayor of Lisbon. What do You think about this?
I decided to don’t pay anything, but if it will be helpful for somebody (me, or anyone else…), I will make the effort of writing 3-4 emails and letters…
Hi Benedek
First, I recommend you don’t pay. Second, if you want to contact all those people, then do – if you’ve got time to commit to it. My experience is that these authorities are either unwilling or unable to do anything about these scammers so don’t expect anything to happen.
The main thing is for you to realise that these people cannot do anything to you, so there is nothing to fear. The next best thing to do then is to ignore them and continue with your life. Of course the scammers will continue to email and call because they want to get you into dialogue with them.
Your #1 weapon against them is to NOT engage in dialogue, it’s as simple as that.
Dear Sam!
I will follow Your advice. Yesterday I made some new research on Google, and I found a European Parliament record, where this kind of scams were discussed. TEMDI is nominalised there. I don’t believe than any complaint from my part will reach a higher official response
So, I will not pay, and I will not respond to any letter or email from them.
And Thank You for this blog, and for Your prompt response.
Hi, thanks for this blog and warning. My mom has general practice and she got letter from Temdi today. Fortunately she aked me to translate it and I did some research about this “company”. So we are not going to respond and we will try to warn some authorities. BTW we are from Czech Republic.
Edita
Well done Edita.
that’s exactly how we should react
Another victim of these scammers. Of course I will ignore them and I am waiting eagerly the call for the court!!
Is there not a way to stop these crooks?
VHR
They are nothing but criminal bandits
(psychiatrist, Denmark)
I agree CBM. I don’t recall signing their form but duly received an invoice. My solicitor was not of much help and suggested I pay. Unfortunately, I was unaware of this website. I had sent a registered letter to TEMDI at their Portugal address telling them that I didn’t want my name entered in their directory. That letter came back undelivered implying my suspicion of it being a scam.
I will follow the advice of the bloggers of this website to ignore any correspondence I receive from them.
AS
England
As a new offer for the fraud arranged by TEMDI I have done the following:
1. After advice from my lawyer I have layed an information abut fraud by TEMDI to the Danish Police
2. I have informed TEMDI about the information to the Danish Police based on advice from my lawyer
Hope this can be helpfull for some of you in the same situation.
Lennart Vinge
Thank You so much for all the help this website has proven to give. I am a Swedish GP. Like everyone else I received a letter, in February, regarding some correction of workplace and such. I thougth I was beeing helpful in answering and two days ago received the signed order at the price of 1300Euro.
I was horrified at first but when I googled and found this website I was instantly releived.
I have warned my collegues and alerted The Swedish Medical Association since it seems they haven´t targeted Sweden so much before. They will issue warnings all around Sweden so hopefully it will put an end to their business here before much harm is done.
Again thank You for all the work and effort You and all others on this website has put in.
Sincerly Yours
Suzanne Söderman
Hi Suzanne – you’re welcome. It’s great to be able to give people some peace of mind.
Hello,
we are also the victims of Temdi. My husband is a dentist and unfortunately we’ve signed the “famous order” on November 2009 . It seems like the maltreatment will never stop.
The last invoice was on the amount of 3.714,56 E !!! We’ve never paid anything.
Last week we received e-mail from Un-legal services ( Katy Pavlova ) with a very generous offer – if we make a one-off payment of 861 E , the three year “contract” will be cancelled in full !
Of course, we have the deadline April 4th.
And thanks to God – nothing happens without a reason- I’ve found your web site!
Now I’m quite sure that we are not going to pay a cent !
Thank you for existing.
Borka milkovic, Croatia
Hello,
I’m a PR-officer at Zorgpartners Fryslân, a healthcare organization in Fryslân, a province in the north of the Netherlands. (Three hospitals, care for the elderly, home care.) A few weeks ago one of our laboratory services forwarded me one of the infamous Temdi-letters. “It is time for the regular control of your basic data. The basic data are published free of charge” With a form to fill in. ‘Please use the provided return envelope’ With a pre-addressed reply-envelope ‘Return it today!’
It requires a very close reading to find out that updating ‘for free’ can only be done on the website. Returning the form using the helpful reply-envelope will cost € 3.171 in total, but that is cunningly hidden in the running text of the form. Yeah right, I thought, we’re not falling for this one.
Of course I sent a letter to Temdi, protesting against this attempted deceit and, in short, telling them off, but later I found that three of our medical practitioners were tricked into signing the Temdi-form. Temdi is not going to receive a single cent from us, and we’ve told them so.
Do make sure that you report any attempt by Temdi to ‘harvest’ your signature to your local authorities*) and follow the advice on the stopecg-website: http://stopecg.org/imi.htm
*) In Nederland: http://www.fraudemeldpunt.nl
Having had no communication with TEMDI for 7 months I have received a new invoice asking me to pay year 1 and year 2 and to sign the entry even if no change. Of course I shall be copletely ignoring this. I note that the address for United lda has chnaged although is still in Lisbon (and mailed from Austria).
I have not had anything for about 10 mtgs and prior to this letters were coming monthly.
Dear all,
I am “pleased” to inform you that TEMDI has reached also Latvia and have targeted several doctors with the same forms as for all of you. The annual fee is abouot EUR 1050. Of course, we are not going to pay anything. They still keep writing to me. However, also my suggestion is to inform them that you are going to contact (or have contatcted) they state’s embassy in your country and that you have submitted a claim against them regarding subject of extortion by TEMDI.
My suggestion is – let’s start pressing and frightening them! And please do not allow yourself to become their victim.
Having received my first invoice from TEMDI in April 2013, I took your advice from this website and ignored all subsequent correspondence. I received a couple of letters stamped with the rather ominous red ‘department legale’ threatening legal action, but of course nothing ever happened. I thought they’d lost interest as the letters seemed to stop towards the end of last year, but I have just received a bill for my second year’s subscription, ‘earlier dunning fees’ (whatever they are) and interest – so we’re now up to Eur 2686. Presumably the cycle will now repeat itself. I am continually reassured by reading the comments on this website and thought it was time I shared my own experiences. I mainly feel sorry for my secretary who I think is terrified that some large Portuguese debt collector will turn up in her office – since they only seem to have my work address and the hospital switchboard number. I have tried to reassure her, but she keeps her office corridor door locked. I sent an email around the consultants in our hospital and discovered that two colleagues had also been affected, and both were considering paying until I directed them to your website. I presume that TEMDI will eventually realise that I am costing them more money than they will ever get out of me (none!). It will be interesting to see how long it all goes on for!
Thanks very much for hosting this website – I suspect there are many who have visited it who have not posted comments but have found it reassuring.